Revelation 10

[WilliamL]

On 1/4/2022 at 8:10 PM, JoeCanada said:

I am looking for your insight into...." What is the mystery of God" that is spoken of here.  ...

If we look at the 7th trumpet in Rev 11:15-16.... "

 "Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying,

“The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His [a]Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.” 16 And the twenty-four elders, who sit on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and worshiped God,"

This, I think, is the Coronation of Jesus, when the Kingdom is handed/transferred  over to Him. Could this be the mystery that was preached to the prophets?

First off, yes, the 7th Trumpet is when Jesus begins to establish his earthly kingdom. The mystery is how everything up to that time is to be worked out by
God. In particular, the role that the Church and the Gospel have to play:

Col. 1:24 ...His body, which is the church, 25 of which I became a minister according to the stewardship from God which was given to me for you, to fulfill the word of God, 26 the mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but now has been revealed to His saints.

The OT prophets foresaw all the pieces of God's eternal plan, but they could not comprehend how all their visions fit together. Particularly the role that the Gentiles would play. And even the Church has had trouble understanding this mystery, which is why we have all these debates about eschatology. The Jews and the rest of the world are clueless.

But by the time that the 7th Trumpet has sounded, all the working out of the establishment of "Thy kingdom come...on earth" will have been manifested to all people. 

Although the Beast and the kingdoms of his rebellious allies will still need to be subdued, as prophesied in Daniel 2:

Daniel 2:44 “And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever."

This passage alone disproves those who reject the coming earthly millennial kingdom.

 

Edited January 12, 2022 by WilliamL

[truth7t7]

3 hours ago, WilliamL said:

First off, yes, the 7th Trumpet is when Jesus begins to establish his earthly kingdom. The mystery is how everything up to that time is to be worked out by
God. In particular, the role that the Church and the Gospel have to play:

Col. 1:24 ...His body, which is the church, 25 of which I became a minister according to the stewardship from God which was given to me for you, to fulfill the word of God, 26 the mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but now has been revealed to His saints.

The OT prophets foresaw all the pieces of God's eternal plan, but they could not comprehend how all their visions fit together. Particularly the role that the Gentiles would play. And even the Church has had trouble understanding this mystery, which is why we have all these debates about eschatology. The Jews and the rest of the world are clueless.

But by the time that the 7th Trumpet has sounded, all the working out of the establishment of "Thy kingdom come...on earth" will have been manifested to all people. 

Although the Beast and the kingdoms of his rebellious allies will still need to be subdued, as prophesied in Daniel 2:

Daniel 2:44 “And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever."

This passage alone disproves those who reject the coming earthly millennial kingdom.

 

The 7th and Last Trump is when mortal turns into immortality, when eternity begins in the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, all in the twinkling of an eye!

As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)

Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ, that will never take place

(Then Cometh The End) As (Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

Afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many claim

(Then Cometh The End)

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Edited January 13, 2022 by truth7t7

[Last Daze]

2 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many claim

The greek actually reads "Then the end" not "then cometh the end". "Cometh" was inserted by the translaters.

It could just as easily read "then at the end".  There has to be another resurrection after "those who are Christ's" to include everyone else.  

[truth7t7]

41 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

The greek actually reads "Then the end" not "then cometh the end". "Cometh" was inserted by the translaters.

It could just as easily read "then at the end".  There has to be another resurrection after "those who are Christ's" to include everyone else.  

There is one time of resurrection for all, this takes place on the (Last Day) at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ

There are (Two) resurrections on this (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second) death resurrection has no power.

1.) (First) Resurrection To Life
2.) (Second) Resurrection To Damnation, The Second Death

(Revelation) 20:6KJV
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below

(John) 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

(John) 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

(1 Corinthians) 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The (Last Day) Judgement

(John) 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

[Last Daze]

11 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

There is one time of resurrection for all, this takes place on the (Last Day) at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ

How do you reconcile this:

• Also the tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection, they entered the holy city and appeared to many. Matthew 27:52-53

Aren't they the first fruits (plural) that were raised after Christ?  OT saints?

[truth7t7]

6 hours ago, Last Daze said:

How do you reconcile this:

• Also the tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection, they entered the holy city and appeared to many. Matthew 27:52-53

Aren't they the first fruits (plural) that were raised after Christ?  OT saints?

You will closely note Jesus physically died when he gave up the Ghost, it wasn't until "After His Resurrection" that bodies of the saints were "Raised From The Dead"

This wasn't a resurrection of the dead, but a raising of the dead into mortal bodies, just as Lazarus and Tabitha were raised from the dead in mortal bodies that were once dead

Matthew 27:50-53KJV

50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. 51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Edited January 13, 2022 by truth7t7

[Last Daze]

4 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

You will closely note Jesus physically died when he gave up the Ghost, it wasn't until "After His Resurrection" that bodies of the saints were "Raised From The Dead"

This wasn't a resurrection of the dead, but a raising of the dead into mortal bodies, just as Lazarus and Tabitha were raised from the dead in mortal bodies that were once dead

Matthew 27:50-53KJV

50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. 51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Perhaps, but I don't see anything to indicate that he raised many saints in their mortal bodies.  Don't know what purpose that would serve either?  It's kind of an odd passage.

What about leading captivity captive (Eph 4:7-9)?  Who were the captives that He led when He ascended?

[truth7t7]

3 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

Perhaps, but I don't see anything to indicate that he raised many saints in their mortal bodies.  Don't know what purpose that would serve either?  It's kind of an odd passage.

What about leading captivity captive (Eph 4:7-9)?  Who were the captives that He led when He ascended?

The scripture is straight forward, it states the saints were raised in their bodies after "HIS" resurrection, not their resurrection

Nothing left to the imagination, they were raised from the dead, just as Lazarus or Tabitha

We Disagree 

Matthew 27:50-53KJV

50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. 51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

[JoeCanada]

On 1/9/2022 at 11:28 AM, Josheb said:

According to Paul the ends of the ages had come upon them, he and the first century Corinthians/Christians, not us.  Is there a correlation between the "last days" and "end of the age(s)"? According to the New Testament, the last days had arrived and the ends of the ages had fallen upon them. What is it you find that says the days and the end has lasted thousands of years? 

Hi Josheb,

In 1 Cor 10:11, Paul is referring the Corinthian Church, to which the letter was written, to remind them of what happened "ages" ago, when "their fathers passed thru the sea" in the days of Moses. He goes on to say  that "these things happened and were written for our instruction, upon whom the ends of the ages has come"

In Col 1:27, Paul is telling of  " the mystery which has been hidden from the past ages and generations"..... echoing what Peter, in 1Peter 1:5, where he refers to our salvation in Christ being revealed in the "last time". In Greek, the last time is "eschatos kairos" which means "the end of the age".

So the age before Christ's revealing can be deemed the first age, and our current age called the "last times". In scripture, we can see that ages are measured with respect to God's plan of redemption.

 

 

[Last Daze]

On 1/13/2022 at 8:55 PM, truth7t7 said:

The scripture is straight forward, it states the saints were raised in their bodies after "HIS" resurrection, not their resurrection

What about leading captivity captive (Eph 4:7-9)?  Who were the captives that He led when He ascended?