Looks like Baptists are the major hold out

[NITE OWL]

How does your message build up the body of Christ?

Many people on this board belong to those denominations.

Are you implying that you're better then they?

Just curious.

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Should I built up false doctrine, false beliefs about the Bible? Not so.

I am sure they are, but most don't even know what the Isreali policy of their churches is.

How to you conclude that? As I said, the last church I was a member of was Baptist, so my church is on that list, and besides, I did not write this article. :The White House Corespondant Bill Koenig did. Why don't you ask him if he thinks he is better than all those?

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Bill didn't post it here, you did.

You sow strife amongst the brethren on this board. Your arrogant attitude about another man's sin is your witness. Your judgments will come back to you.

You say someone else came up with those stats, yet you feel a need to preach that message.

You speak of the Israeli policy. I've never heard of this policy. What does my salvation have to do with that?

This is what I know and believe of Israel. It's one of the smallest countries in the world. I can't even began to imagine how out numbered they are where military strength is concerned. From the day they took hold of that land called Israel, no one has ever been able to take it from them. Many have tried and continue to do so. The Israelis are truly God's people.

If you're so worried about false doctrines and beliefs, why don't you address them individually? Start at the top of the list and work your way down. If you're unwilling to do that, you should not accuse.

Just something to think about.

[pretzelperson]

I have a couple of questions.

1. What is replacement theology?

2. How is it confirmed?

3. Who is Bill Koenig?

4. Why should I care what Bill Koenig thinks?

Bill Koenig sounds like a self-righteous, dogmatic, hate-monger to me.

[Kansasdad]

Kansas Dad, this thread wasn't aimed at you or anyone else thats' a member of those highlighted in red.  From the way I understand it, it is speaking of these denominations as a 'corporation' or corporate body, in other words that their policies from the leadership in them, this is their stance. It lists how many are on record as belonging to each group, but I seriously doubt that every person believes everything they are taught in each theology.

I am sorry your church ranked #1, but that is because the membership is so large.

I am not apologizing for putting this info out there, only that it hurt you, I am truly sorry for that.

My apology extends to anyone else who's Chruch is in red.

But remember, what it boils down to is that the church isn't Israel.

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So basically your response is I am sorry BUT I am right and you are wrong, and my response is still,

Quite frankly I don't want to hear your "excuses" for spreading it, I don't want your apiologies laced with I apiologies BUT, I am right and you are wrong. This whole thing is disgusting. PLEASE JUST STOP!

If you want to have a discussion about replacement theology, then have a conversation about replacement theology, but take your finger pointing some where else, it doesn't serve God

[GentleGiant]

I grew up in a United Brethren church. A denomination too small to be listed in the 'top 25'. I married a Methodist girl and am now a member of the United Methodist church. My heart aches because of much that goes on in the UMC. I am fortunately a part of a local congregation that has leadership that is pro-Israel and is very Word Centered, which is unusual for a Methodist church... but does exist. I do get criticized by other Christians of my 'choice' of denomination. I do not get offended when my non-UMC Brothers make their criticisms. I am bigger than that. My view is that I am first-and-foremost a member of the Body of Christ. I do not firstly and solely identify myself with the UMC. This (in the UMC) is where God has me right now, and if I have to be a small candle in a dark room, then so be it. God has a reason for me being where I am. I just happen to attend and belong to a UMC congregation. When we put our denominational identity BEFORE our identity as a member of the Body of Christ, then we are wrong. That tells me that you put more importance in a Human organization than God's Organization. Even though I'm now in the UM church, I root for and cheer on the United Brethren Church organization that I once belonged to. I also have friends in other denominations and it thrills my heart and soul when I see positive things happening in their churches. It also hurts me when I see negative happening in their churches. My church's current leadership chooses to reach out and work with the local congregations of other denominations in our community. They are not competitors. We are all members of the Body of Christ.

For those on here that are putting down and calling non-Christian, the 'bringing to light' of facts... you had better criticize Jesus and accuse Him of non-Christian behavior. Read your Gospels and see the many times that he pointed out and criticized the evil and wrong that was going on around him, especially in his current-day Religious Organization. Sometimes the truth hurts and we cannot treat the wrongs with a 'best affections' approach.

I will use an analogy here. Do you allow the infection in a wound to stay there? Do you just ignore the infection and cover it up with a bandage and hope for the best. NO. You must clean out the infection first and then put the bandage on. If you don't you could lose a body part to gangrene. We need to begin to clean up our churches (in a Loving manner) or the 'infections' will spread and we'll lose what we are holding precious... a human organization.

Don't get defensive and lash out at the messenger. Get on your knees and pray for your churches. Pray that they will see the Light of the Word.

BTW, our pastor steps on our toes many times... mine included! I can choose to get mad at the preacher OR I can take a look at my life thru the window of the Word and judge myself and take corrective action. Praise the Lord for a pastor that doesn't just 'tickle our ears' with niceties, but rather preaches from the Word and tells it like it is.

[Guest Zayit]

How does your message build up the body of Christ?

Many people on this board belong to those denominations.

Are you implying that you're better then they?

Just curious.

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Should I built up false doctrine, false beliefs about the Bible? Not so.

I am sure they are, but most don't even know what the Israeli policy of their churches is.

How to you conclude that? As I said, the last church I was a member of was Baptist, so my church is on that list, and besides, I did not write this article. :The White House Corespondent Bill Koenig did. Why don't you ask him if he thinks he is better than all those?

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Bill didn't post it here, you did.

You sow strife amongst the brethren on this board. Your arrogant attitude about another man's sin is your witness. Your judgments will come back to you.

You say someone else came up with those stats, yet you feel a need to preach that message.

You speak of the Israeli policy. I've never heard of this policy. What does my salvation have to do with that?

This is what I know and believe of Israel. It's one of the smallest countries in the world. I can't even began to imagine how out numbered they are where military strength is concerned. From the day they took hold of that land called Israel, no one has ever been able to take it from them. Many have tried and continue to do so. The Israelis are truly God's people.

If you're so worried about false doctrines and beliefs, why don't you address them individually? Start at the top of the list and work your way down. If you're unwilling to do that, you should not accuse.

Just something to think about.

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If truth sows strife.......................

Let me give you something to think about, My G-d said when He came to earth a little while back, that :

"Don't suppose that I have come to bring peace to the Land. It is not peace I have come to bring, but a sword!

Sorry I don't believe in a "feel good" church, that denys reality. I don't think Yeshua is looking for that in a bride either. The point of this thread was the verse I first posted, but some of you are too obtuse to see it. The point was that the BIble says ALL NATIONS

And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem, and I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem the spirit of Grace and supplication............

The stats just show how close the USA is to becoming one of those nations, like it or not!

The reason I posted this was because I happened to have stumbled upon it while looking up what everyone has been asking about regarding if it was judgement with the Hurricane Katrina. Bill Koerig wrote a book called Eye to Eye, I have posted some excepts, I know Yod has, and I believe Shiloh has as well, speaking of how when America gets her nose into land deals with Israel, G-d isn't happy and makes swift to let us know that.

One of the main reasons that many on this board can't see that is that they believe in replacement theology, wether they know it as such or not.. This happened to be on Bill's website.

I am really surprised at the uproar.

Is it the policy or is it because it was posted with my name on it. I don't soft soap things, not anymore, there is no time for that, it is running out!

I love him more than all of you, take that as you will, but I am not worthy of him if I don't. And that's the truth!

For I have come to set

[M45510G1C]

If someone is preaching false doctrine it is our duty to bring that fact into the light, not to allow the falsehood to linger unnoticed.

I see nothing wrong with this thread, it is important to understand the position of yours as well as other religious organizations, especially when it comes to something as important as G-d's chosen people.

[DaBronx]

Kansas Dad, this thread wasn't aimed at you or anyone else thats' a member of those highlighted in red.  From the way I understand it, it is speaking of these denominations as a 'corporation' or corporate body, in other words that their policies from the leadership in them, this is their stance. It lists how many are on record as belonging to each group, but I seriously doubt that every person believes everything they are taught in each theology.

I am sorry your church ranked #1, but that is because the membership is so large.

I am not apologizing for putting this info out there, only that it hurt you, I am truly sorry for that.

My apology extends to anyone else who's Chruch is in red.

But remember, what it boils down to is that the church isn't Israel.

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Don't ever apologize for spreading TRUTH... Did Jesus apologize to the Pharisees???

Those who want to run and hide and pray in their closets need wake-up calls more than anyone else...

"....he who has an ear let him hear"

[Guest Zayit]

I have a couple of questions.

[Guest Zayit]

Kansas Dad, this thread wasn't aimed at you or anyone else thats' a member of those highlighted in red.

[serotta]

Zayit, my first question is who made Mr. Koenig the judge of which denominations teach replacement theology? What criteria does he use to make that judgement?

Secondly, you said:

I love him more than all of you, take that as you will, but I am not worthy of him if I don't. And that's the truth!

I do not think that this type of statement has any place on this forum, and if you truly feel that way I'm very sorry for you.