Proverbs 16:18

[Starise]

The more we see it in other people the less we seem to see it in ourselves. We are not instructed to be looking for it in others in this verse, or any other really. Our natural tendency is to see it in others and not see it in ourselves.

The verse simply makes a statement about what happens to prideful people. Unfortunately EVERYONE has pride at one time or another. It's a trait of the flesh and we all have the flesh. 

The most important thing is to recognize it in yourself and pray that God help you. Seeing ourselves as we really are can take care of the pride issue very quickly. Many of us don't truly see what we really are aside from what Christ does in us.

Self confidence is probably the closest we can come to pride while still not allowing for it. Many take self confidence too far into pride.

Many will set themselves up on a pedestal internally by telling themselves, "At least I don't do this or that, this makes me just a little better than them."

This can be about a theological doctrine we think we know inside and out, it can be about a behavior we see in someone else. We may think we are more intelligent and take pride in it.

Some like to see themselves through incorrect lenses because it makes them feel better about themselves. Accentuating what we think are the good traits while ignoring the bad traits is an incorrect view of what we really are.

If we could accurately see in depth the true sinfulness of our souls in view of our Lord's standard, I am convinced we would hang our heads in disbelief and sorrow at what we really are.

There are natural laws in all of nature. One natural law of the spirit is that pride goes before a fall. Why? Because pride over estimates our ability. Pride puts too much confidence in 'us'. When we see the world through these false lenses we do things that simply won't work without help. We over estimate ourselves. We over estimate our resources, we over estimate our goodness. 

 

 

[missmuffet]

2 hours ago, Starise said:

The more we see it in other people the less we seem to see it in ourselves. We are not instructed to be looking for it in others in this verse, or any other really. Our natural tendency is to see it in others and not see it in ourselves.

The verse simply makes a statement about what happens to prideful people. Unfortunately EVERYONE has pride at one time or another. It's a trait of the flesh and we all have the flesh. 

The most important thing is to recognize it in yourself and pray that God help you. Seeing ourselves as we really are can take care of the pride issue very quickly. Many of us don't truly see what we really are aside from what Christ does in us.

Self confidence is probably the closest we can come to pride while still not allowing for it. Many take self confidence too far into pride.

Many will set themselves up on a pedestal internally by telling themselves, "At least I don't do this or that, this makes me just a little better than them."

This can be about a theological doctrine we think we know inside and out, it can be about a behavior we see in someone else. We may think we are more intelligent and take pride in it.

Some like to see themselves through incorrect lenses because it makes them feel better about themselves. Accentuating what we think are the good traits while ignoring the bad traits is an incorrect view of what we really are.

If we could accurately see in depth the true sinfulness of our souls in view of our Lord's standard, I am convinced we would hang our heads in disbelief and sorrow at what we really are.

There are natural laws in all of nature. One natural law of the spirit is that pride goes before a fall. Why? Because pride over estimates our ability. Pride puts too much confidence in 'us'. When we see the world through these false lenses we do things that simply won't work without help. We over estimate ourselves. We over estimate our resources, we over estimate our goodness. 

 

 

Do people really see it in themselves or are they in denial? Everyone has pride?

Edited January 31, 2022 by missmuffet

[Riverwalker]

It is elemental to everything we are doing in this earth

Will we find a way to get humble ourselves and fall on our knees and submit to a greater God or in our pride and self importance resist Him and lose the grace we so desperately need?

This one thing will determine out eternity.

James 4:6

But He gives more grace. Therefore He says: “God resists the proud, But gives grace to the humble.”

 

[Starise]

2 hours ago, missmuffet said:

Everyone has pride?

At one time or another I believe they do.

2 hours ago, Riverwalker said:

It is elemental to everything we are doing in this earth

Will we find a way to get humble ourselves and fall on our knees and submit to a greater God or in our pride and self importance resist Him and lose the grace we so desperately need?

This one thing will determine out eternity.

James 4:6

But He gives more grace. Therefore He says: “God resists the proud, But gives grace to the humble.”

 

One thing I could never understand. This is the very apparent reality of it all.GOD man.

God>eternal

Man. You don't know if you will live through tomorrow.

Yet men fail to see their absolute NEED for God.

[missmuffet]

4 minutes ago, Starise said:

At one time or another I believe they do.

One thing I could never understand. This is the very apparent reality of it all.GOD man.

God>eternal

Man. You don't know if you will live through tomorrow.

Yet men fail to see their absolute NEED for God.

I see your point. Before I became a Christian I could consider myself a wretch. But like you said no one is perfect. 

[Starise]

God has a wonderful way of de wretching us.

Are you sure He got it all? 

[Riverwalker]

13 minutes ago, Starise said:

At one time or another I believe they do.

One thing I could never understand. This is the very apparent reality of it all.GOD man.

God>eternal

Man. You don't know if you will live through tomorrow.

Yet men fail to see their absolute NEED for God.

There is a reason God calls the unbeliever a fool

Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who [d]suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is [e]manifest [f]in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and [g]Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools

Edited January 31, 2022 by Riverwalker

[missmuffet]

22 minutes ago, Riverwalker said:

There is a reason God calls the unbeliever a fool

Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who [d]suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is [e]manifest [f]in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and [g]Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools

That person that God calls a "fool" is the person beyond the reach of God. 

[Riverwalker]

4 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

That person that God calls a "fool" is the person beyond the reach of God. 

Only if they choose to be

[missmuffet]

Just now, Riverwalker said:

Only if they choose to be

Life is full of choices. Everyone human on this earth has a choice to believe in Jesus Christ and spend an eternity with God or spend an eternity in hell.