The Image of The Beast

[Diaste]

On 3/8/2022 at 8:18 AM, truth7t7 said:

You have God pouring wrath out on his saints on earth, as the Holy Spirit goes to heaven with a group called Church?

Sorta symbolizes the Jehovah's Witness 144,000 righteous chosen group at Gods throne, as the Church rules on this earth

Sarcasm.

 

[Michael37]

20 hours ago, Diaste said:

Sarcasm.

 

Not that we recommend sarx-asm . . .

Strongs G4561
σάρξ
sarx
sarx
Probably from the base of G4563; flesh (as stripped of the skin), that is, (strictly) the meat of an animal (as food), or (by extension) the body (as opposed to the soul (or spirit), or as the symbol of what is external, or as the means of kindred, or (by implication) human nature (with its frailties (physically or morally) and passions), or (specifically) a human being (as such): - carnal (-ly, + -ly minded), flesh ([-ly]).
Total KJV occurrences: 151

 

[Diaste]

2 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Not that we recommend sarx-asm . . .

Strongs G4561
σάρξ
sarx
sarx
Probably from the base of G4563; flesh (as stripped of the skin), that is, (strictly) the meat of an animal (as food), or (by extension) the body (as opposed to the soul (or spirit), or as the symbol of what is external, or as the means of kindred, or (by implication) human nature (with its frailties (physically or morally) and passions), or (specifically) a human being (as such): - carnal (-ly, + -ly minded), flesh ([-ly]).
Total KJV occurrences: 151

It was very much directed at the flesh. 

 

[choir loft]

On 2/23/2022 at 4:18 AM, The_Truth_Seeker said:

I been going over this again lately, over it a number of times, looking at the world we live in today, what does it sound like? I have at times thought this might be a reference to Artificial Intelligence (or related to computers in general). 

The word image can have multiple meanings, just depends on the context. And if looking at Rev 13.15, look at the word "speak" and break it down. So what is one doing when talking? Communicating. So what if the Image of The Beast is some kind of sophisticated communications network ?

In computer terms, an image can refer to a copy, but other than that image can refer to a representation. 

Now I been reading up on 6g and AI, together. Very interesting. 

 

 

The term 'image' can indeed have multiple meanings, but if one wants to understand what the Biblical definition might be it would be wise to consult the Bible.....not computer technology.  STOP reading computerese and START reading the Bible.

In Genesis 1:26 we are informed God created man in His own image, but in Genesis 3 it was lost forever.  

Eve and Adam chose to embrace the tempter and in so doing gave their authority to it.  He to whom you yield your mind body and will is he to whom you give your authority.  

For instance, in order to receive money for living expenses one agrees to work for someone.  The employer agrees to pay the worker for his labor.  In exchange, the worker agrees to DO that which the employer commands.  In other words, one agrees to exchange the authority one has over one's time and energy and body to another person for money.  The issue here is authority, which is linked to the spiritual image spoken of in Genesis 1 - the immortal enduring spirit given to Eve and Adam. 

Eve and Adam were told by God NOT to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.  At the time they both possessed physical mental and spiritual autonomy to do as they pleased.   Their authority was their own.   God asked them to give a bit of it to Him - to DO as He commanded.   Instead Eve and Adam did as the tempter commanded.  In so doing they yielded their authority to the tempter.  It was no longer theirs.  Thus God is ruler of the world, but the tempter owns all authority in it because we've given it to the tempter.  (Luke 4:5-6)

God's response was in accord with His promise - death.  

First, Eve and Adam were evicted from the Garden of Eden AND God's fellowship.  In this judgment do we see spiritual death (lack of knowing God).  They LOST the image of God.  It was lost forever.  Subsequent generations of man did NOT have the image of God as part of their being.

Second, both died physically albeit not immediately.  St. Paul expressed it well when he wrote "the wages of SIN is death" in Romans 6:23a.

Observe any new-born baby.  Some will say it looks like its mother and others may believe it looks a bit like its father.  All babies are born in the image of their parents - human mothers and fathers.  Since previous generations did not possess the image of God all suffer spiritual death.  Again - the image of God is that which 'knows God'.  Lack of the image of God is also called spiritual death.  Humans do not KNOW GOD as a consequence of physical birth because that image is not passed on to them by their parents.

Following the loss of the Image of God in Eden, Jesus Christ is the first person to be born in the world to possess it.  

Those who accept Him as Lord and Savior yield their authority to Him.  They agree to DO as He commands.  In exchange, they receive the Image of God, the Spirit of God.  They are said to be born again (of the spirit).  However, the gift is not autonomous as it was in Eden.  It is provisional.  Every epistle in the New Testament describes the provisions of God's spiritual gift.

The alternative to NOT accepting Christ's authority is to die without His Image - without His immortal life.  This is called the Second Death.  This eventuality may also be described as permanent personal destruction similar to the example of Sodom & Gomorrah.  Nothing will remain of the person following physical death - no body, no mind and no spirit - absolutely nothing.  

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

 

 

 

 

Edited April 8, 2022 by choir loft

[The_Truth_Seeker]

On 4/9/2022 at 5:16 AM, choir loft said:

The term 'image' can indeed have multiple meanings, but if one wants to understand what the Biblical definition might be it would be wise to consult the Bible.....not computer technology.  STOP reading computerese and START reading the Bible.

In Genesis 1:26 we are informed God created man in His own image, but in Genesis 3 it was lost forever.  

Eve and Adam chose to embrace the tempter and in so doing gave their authority to it.  He to whom you yield your mind body and will is he to whom you give your authority.  

For instance, in order to receive money for living expenses one agrees to work for someone.  The employer agrees to pay the worker for his labor.  In exchange, the worker agrees to DO that which the employer commands.  In other words, one agrees to exchange the authority one has over one's time and energy and body to another person for money.  The issue here is authority, which is linked to the spiritual image spoken of in Genesis 1 - the immortal enduring spirit given to Eve and Adam. 

Eve and Adam were told by God NOT to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.  At the time they both possessed physical mental and spiritual autonomy to do as they pleased.   Their authority was their own.   God asked them to give a bit of it to Him - to DO as He commanded.   Instead Eve and Adam did as the tempter commanded.  In so doing they yielded their authority to the tempter.  It was no longer theirs.  Thus God is ruler of the world, but the tempter owns all authority in it because we've given it to the tempter.  (Luke 4:5-6)

God's response was in accord with His promise - death.  

First, Eve and Adam were evicted from the Garden of Eden AND God's fellowship.  In this judgment do we see spiritual death (lack of knowing God).  They LOST the image of God.  It was lost forever.  Subsequent generations of man did NOT have the image of God as part of their being.

Second, both died physically albeit not immediately.  St. Paul expressed it well when he wrote "the wages of SIN is death" in Romans 6:23a.

Observe any new-born baby.  Some will say it looks like its mother and others may believe it looks a bit like its father.  All babies are born in the image of their parents - human mothers and fathers.  Since previous generations did not possess the image of God all suffer spiritual death.  Again - the image of God is that which 'knows God'.  Lack of the image of God is also called spiritual death.  Humans do not KNOW GOD as a consequence of physical birth because that image is not passed on to them by their parents.

Following the loss of the Image of God in Eden, Jesus Christ is the first person to be born in the world to possess it.  

Those who accept Him as Lord and Savior yield their authority to Him.  They agree to DO as He commands.  In exchange, they receive the Image of God, the Spirit of God.  They are said to be born again (of the spirit).  However, the gift is not autonomous as it was in Eden.  It is provisional.  Every epistle in the New Testament describes the provisions of God's spiritual gift.

The alternative to NOT accepting Christ's authority is to die without His Image - without His immortal life.  This is called the Second Death.  This eventuality may also be described as permanent personal destruction similar to the example of Sodom & Gomorrah.  Nothing will remain of the person following physical death - no body, no mind and no spirit - absolutely nothing.  

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

 

 

 

 

With respect, but your entire post above has nothing to do with what I posted in regards to the image of the beast. Looking at the verses concerned, we have a man made product that has the ability to speak. 

Look at the many products we have today on the market with voice speaking capabilities. How often does one answer the phone only to discover it is a just a robotic voice on the other end making the call? 

You think just because you find the word "image" somewhere else in the bible that will automatically tell you what the reference to "image" mentioned in Revelations is? 

Now logic and reason dictate that whatever is being revealed or made known about a specific time period, then there must be something in that time period concerned, and it points to the level of advancement society has reached. On top of this, there has to be some kind of conditioning of the people in the time period concerned that enables them to submit and comply. And from what I have seen over the past few years, we are in that time period in my opinion. 

The question is what is this "image" that has the ability to communicate in connection with the mark of the beast, the first beast and the second beast? 

It has to be all connected to one another. And it all points to this - surveillance.

 

 

 

 

Edited April 20, 2022 by The_Truth_Seeker

[choir loft]

On 4/20/2022 at 5:21 PM, The_Truth_Seeker said:

With respect, but your entire post above has nothing to do with what I posted in regards to the image of the beast. Looking at the verses concerned, we have a man made product that has the ability to speak. 

Look at the many products we have today on the market with voice speaking capabilities. How often does one answer the phone only to discover it is a just a robotic voice on the other end making the call? 

You think just because you find the word "image" somewhere else in the bible that will automatically tell you what the reference to "image" mentioned in Revelations is? 

Now logic and reason dictate that whatever is being revealed or made known about a specific time period, then there must be something in that time period concerned, and it points to the level of advancement society has reached. On top of this, there has to be some kind of conditioning of the people in the time period concerned that enables them to submit and comply. And from what I have seen over the past few years, we are in that time period in my opinion. 

The question is what is this "image" that has the ability to communicate in connection with the mark of the beast, the first beast and the second beast? 

It has to be all connected to one another. And it all points to this - surveillance.

 

 

 

 

A man made 'product' may also be a human being held in regard as god/'divinity'.   

Such a man is the blasphemous pope of the church of Rome.

"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in heaven and earth." Barclay Cap. XXVII, p. 218. Cities Petrus Bertrandus, Pius V.

Popular interpretations of this portion of scripture are often tainted by the human experience of the industrial age.   An image is therefore interpreted to mean a robot - whereas there was NO SUCH THING until 1920 when the term was invented by Czech author Karel Capek.  References to an image as mechanical are thus entirely false.

Interpretations of End Times references must stand upon Biblical precedent rather than Science Fiction.   Such an idea is unfortunately lost among the congregations of today because they are more enamored of Star Wars and Disney than Daniel or Revelation. 

The image of God as stated in Genesis refers to that which was lost in Eden because of SIN.  That image was a spiritual component of Adam & Eve that was never regained.   There is no such thing as the image of God in man any longer including any false deity (ie: Emperor Hirohito or Pope Francis or Virgin Mary).

There is no part of man that survives physical death.

 Surely the fate of human beings is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath; humans have no advantage over animals. Everything is meaningless. - Ecclesiastes 3:19

Therefore a false image predicted in Revelation and explained in Daniel would also be a false god - a human with a prominent religious position such as the Pope.  It's also interesting to note that none of the major religions, including Islam, makes such an assertion except the RCC.  

Interpreting Biblical passages using the creations of modern technology is really off the rails as far as scripture is concerned.   While my assertion may not be completely correct, I certainly insist that the Bible interprets itself.  Nowhere in Holy Writ is it even remotely suggested that mechanics of any sort play a part in the End Times predictions. 

that's me, hollering from the choir loft....

 

 

Edited April 22, 2022 by choir loft

[CaptWalker]

Well the way i see it is that the main problem with trying to decipher just what the book of Revelation was/is saying is that most Christians see it as coming straight from the mouth of God, which is mostly accurate. BUT, and it probably goes without saying that JOHN was trying his best to interpret exactly what God was showing him, as far as those "images" are concerned. And then the KJV translaters were doing the same thing so then its possible that some little tidbit was lost in the process, but just guessing, not being a Bible/manuscripts scholar myself...? 

With that said maybe the meaning of the word is really as simple as what all these prophecy teachers have been saying all along, in that what you see on a TV screen everyday is maybe what John was seeing as well, but of course he had no way of describing something so foreign to him other than calling it an "image"...but again i'm no scholar but just supposing?

[The_Truth_Seeker]

When I first heard about Global Pandemic Treaty, and I read more into it, what happens once a member country signs up, a thought occurred to me at that moment, and I found myself wondering, "what if the Image of this Beast could be some kind of "agreement" that requires nations to submit to and carry out the conditions and directives of such a agreement ?" 

It poses some interesting questions this concept. Firstly, what happens to nations that refuse to sign up?  Secondly what happens to individuals who refuse to comply?

Have a read up on Global Pandemic Treaty, and see what happens once a country signs up. 

 

Edited July 2, 2022 by The_Truth_Seeker