Why 153?

[Guest shiloh357]

Grace to you,

Then there is also the juxtaposition in Luke . Where the nets were so full they broke.

In Luke we see Peter questioning the Lord. Thinking that he himself certainly knew better how to fish than this Carpenter from Nazareth. Then finding out that the Lord of the Harvest did indeed know a little about fishing. As we begin to see Peter dropping to His kness asking the Lord to leave Him for he was indeed a sinful man. All the while the boats were sinking because of their unbelief. Sinking into the sea.........

Now in John we see them Obediently dropping the nets. To recieve a huge catch. The nets haven't torn and they can actually count the harvest.

[Fiosh]

Found this at "blueletterbible.com"

c. Why 153 fish?

i. 153 is the sum of numbers 1 to 17. Some (like Augustine) say that it is a number representing the number of commandments (10) added to the sevenfold gifts of the Spirit

ii. 153 is the added numerical value of the Greek words "Peter" and "fish"

iii. Some ancients (such as Jerome) held that there were 153 different types of fish in the world; this represents a "full harvest" of all the world

iv. Some (like Cyril of Alexandria) say that 100 stands for the Gentiles, 50 for Israel and 3 for the Trinity

v. The truth is 153 stands for the number of fish that they caught, and nothing else! Beware of manufacturing "hidden meanings" in the Word of God

[Fiosh]

Found this at "blueletterbible.com"

c. Why 153 fish?

i. 153 is the sum of numbers 1 to 17. Some (like Augustine) say that it is a number representing the number of commandments (10) added to the sevenfold gifts of the Spirit

ii. 153 is the added numerical value of the Greek words "Peter" and "fish"

iii. Some ancients (such as Jerome) held that there were 153 different types of fish in the world; this represents a "full harvest" of all the world

iv. Some (like Cyril of Alexandria) say that 100 stands for the Gentiles, 50 for Israel and 3 for the Trinity

v. The truth is 153 stands for the number of fish that they caught, and nothing else! Beware of manufacturing "hidden meanings" in the Word of God

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Where'd you that that Fiosh? I went to blueletterbible.org and it didn't mention any of that

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It's the David Guzik commentary for verse 11

Do you know how to access the commentaries? If not, go to the verse...click on the "L" to the left of the verse. Click on the down arrow. Click on your selected commentary. Click on "Go".

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

NO NO NO NO....different fishing story.

Only the book of John details Christ's post-resurrection appearance to Peter, John, James, Nathaniel and Thomas on the Sea of Galialee(sp).

Yes, I was aware that this was an entirely different story. However both stories had to do with the disciples relationship to Christ. At the start of His earthly Ministry and at the end. The whole story revolves around Jesus Christ. It is in fact centered on Him.

If you look deeply you will also see the Sea and Boats. Men and Fish. As well differing fishing habits as brother Shiloh pointed out. Most of all what you will see is the Lord as the Diamond turns. A different look at Him through the eyes of men who deeply Loved Him. A deeper Faith and appreciation for who He indeed is.

Isn't He alltogether Lovely. Just look at Him there. "Fella's Have you any Food?" Knowing full well that they were way below their calling just like most of us. Wouldn't you put on your coat and dive into the Sea? Man I know I would, I would in a heartbeat. Having breakfast with my King by the seashore. It only takes one word from Jesus to change your whole entire life.

The Lord Bless you brother.

Peace,

Dave

[jesussaves]

They were fishermen by trade. It would have been unnatural for them, or anyone, to catch a big haul like that and not count them. Can you imagine the big fish tale people might tell if the amount hadn't been recorded?

"Did you guys hear about that big multitude of fish the disciples caught and the nets didn't even break! Why, there must have been five thousand or more in that little ol' net!"

1. The Lord asked them if they had any food. They said no. What was really important was that the Lord not only showed them that He would meet all their needs but even go beyond what they expected.

2. Jesus got the glory. They did not recognize Him until He did for them what they could not do for themselves.

3. The signifigance of the Lord telling them to come and dine is two fold. First, there were some who supposed Him to be a spirit, so He ate with them. The Master even cooked for them after He was risen. He was still teaching us how to treat each other by His example. They had fellowship together right there on the beach that day.

Second, the spiritual signifigance is that the Lord bids us to come. Depend on Him to do what only He can do for us and through us. Remember how He told the disciples earlier that He would make them fishers of men. He would draw people to the nets, but the disciples had to throw in the nets. Without Him we can do nothing.

"Listen diligently to Me, and eat what is good, and let your soul delight itself in abundance. Incline your ear, and come to Me. Hear and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you." Isaiah 55:2-3

"Come, all ye that labor and are heavy laden and I will give you rest."

I would think a Pastor or teacher could find a dozen sermons from this one event.

"Come and dine the Mater calleth, come and dine."

"Follow Me." John 21:19

[Guest Zayit]

1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13+14+15+16+17=========153

or

01

02

03

04

05

06

07

08

09

10

11

12

13

14

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16

17

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153

That's pretty interesting isn't it?

[Guest Zayit]

You done got the ol cryptographer in me all worked up now...

153......

1+5+3=9

The alphanumeric value (in English) of "Nine is the key" is 144.....

"The God of Israel" "Jesus is Nine" "Lucifer is Nine" "One two six" all 144

1+2+6=9

something else I noticed.....ANV of "one" = 34 = 7 (reduced)

Numbers and language....strange things, did we invent them or discover them?

mmmm I'm probably way off track here, but I do gotta wonder just how deep the proverbial rabbit hole goes, eh?

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M4, can you help out with this?

I do have an idea, do we have anyone here proficient in Greek? I know Hebrew letters also represent numbers, and the same in Greek too.

In English word games you could be asked , how many words can you make using these letters?

REAT

Rate

Tare

Tear

Arte

ETC, you get the idea

And see what you come up with. Same in Hebrew or Greek, but the added bonus is that you will also have a number, no matter what the word you come up with the letters it will equal the number. So I am wondering what other words can you get from those letters.

But much to my shock when I looked up the transliterated words for one hundred fifty and three, there were not Greek letters, but words, so Greek has words AND letters for numbers???? 

I didn't know that english used numbers for letters, I thought this was only for Hebrew and English?

[Guest Zayit]

I did some studying on this last night.

John2:11

This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.

Joh 2:18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?

Joh 2:23 Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did.

Joh 3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

Joh 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see sign s and wonder s, ye will not believe.

Joh 4:54 This is again the second miracle that Jesus did, when he was come out of Judaea into Galilee.

Joh 6:2 And a great multitude followed him, because they saw his miracle s which he did on them that were diseased.

Joh 6:14 Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world.

Joh 6:26 Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracle s, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.

Joh 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

Joh 7:31 And many of the people believed on him, and said, When Christ cometh, will he do more miracles than these which this man hath done?

Joh 9:16 Therefore said some of the Pharisees, This man is not of God, because he keepeth not the sabbath day. Others said, How can a man that is a sinner do such miracles? And there was a division among them.

Joh 10:41 And many resorted unto him, and said, John did no miracle: but all things that John spake of this man were true.

Joh 11:47 Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many miracles.

Joh 12:18 For this cause the people also met him, for that they heard that he had done this miracle.

Joh 12:37 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:

Joh 20:30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:

All those words highlighted above are different translations of the same Greek word which means, Sign, Mark or Token. this word in the Gospel of John can be found 17 times. It is the only book in the whole NT that uses this word this many times, and it is the most times used in a book ( the total usage in the NT is 69, 1 shy of 70).

In amongst this book we find these miracles, or SIGNS

1. Turning Water into Wine ~ In Cana

2. Healing the Officers servent - Again from Cana

3. Healing of the blind, lame and crippled man besides the pool at Beit Zata, in Jerusalem.

4. Five loaves and two fishes - Lake Tiberias feeding of 5 thousand - 12 baskets of bread left over

5. Walking on the water, the boat immediately reaching shore from 3-4 miles out.

6. Gives the Blind man in Jerusalem eyes.

7. Raised Lazerus from the dead

Seven of them, seven signs that are spelled out in the Gospel if John. After the resurection John writes this:

20:30

And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:

20:31

But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Only seven are recorded, before his death. I find it interesting that John choose only seven.

Seven is the number of completness, of perfection, many example in the bible from Genesis to Revelation.

But wait there's one more, after the resurection, The appearance on the shore of Lake Tiberias.

John tells us that: This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his disciples, after that he was risen from the dead. 21:14

Also of note not all the disciples were there, only:

1. Simon Peter

2. Thomas called Didymus

3. Nathanael of Cana in Galilee

4 the sons of Zebedee, ( James)

5 the sons of Zebedee, ( John)

6. and two other of his disciples

7. and two other of his disciples

This last sign I believe is signifigant in using the numbers it does. I will do some furthur research into the number 17 and post what I find.