The Creation of Lucifer.

[Guest naive_simon]

Why did God create Lucifer, knowing He would be the fallen angel and mess up his creation?

[ruah brit]

Why did God create Lucifer, knowing He would be the fallen angel and mess up his creation?

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Lucifer is part of God's plan. Notice that Lucifer is a man that boasts himself up to heaven, but in the end dies like men die to never rise again.

12 "How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!

13 For you have said in your heart: 'I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north;

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.'

15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, To the lowest depths of the Pit.

16 "Those who see you will gaze at you, And consider you, saying: 'Is this the man who made the earth tremble, Who shook kingdoms,

Denise

[Joy in the Journey]

Lucifer is part of God's plan. Notice that Lucifer is a man that boasts himself up to heaven, but in the end dies like men die to never rise again.

Denise

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Lucifer was an angel ( now a fallen angel...aka satan ), not a man

Anyway, to answer the OP's question- God created Lucifer good- just as He did man...but God also gives freewill to His creatures; and satan ( and us ) abused that freewill. God's not at fault here.

Be blessed,

Tim

[NITE OWL]

I don't think there's an answer for that. I could be wrong.

[Guest naive_simon]

Here is my conclusion. Tell me what you think.

The most beautiful angel of all, Lucifer, (aka Satan) grew jealous because God told him His awesome plans of creating billions and billions of God-Beings (our eternal souls). The first two souls being Adam & Eve. Lucifer's pride got in the way and he and his other deceived angels tried to take out God. Well, obviously God being more powerful than Satan, Satan and his fallen angels (demons) were sent to a place that was created just for Satan and his demons.

Satan came onto Earth and began to destroy God's perfect creation. The only way for Satan's plan to be able to carried out was to give man the ability to reason; to understand right and wrong. That's where the 'Tree of the Knowledge of Good n Evil' steps in. God told Adam & Eve NOT to eat of it, because once they did eat of it...they would die. They would become as we are today. God stuck the tree there hoping Adam & Eve would resist the temptation and Satan would give up on that whole 'tryin to screw everything up plan" and break down and ask God to forgive him. But you know the story, the fruit of the tree looked good to eat, and since man had no clue of evil, listened to Satan over God and thus, Satan's plan of "screwing everything up" could now be attempted to be carried out.

You see, before Lucifer turned on God, Lucifer was pretty much God's right-hand man. The Bible says he was, "the model of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty." God is still hoping that Satan will repent of what he did. The amazing thing is, it really IS possible, although HIGHLY impropable. The Bible says, "With the Lord a day is like a thousand years", so if the world really is only 6,000 years old....it's kind of like saying God is giving Satan a week to repent, and then God's going to carry out HIS plan, and finish Satan once and for all.

[Joy in the Journey]

I don't think there's an answer for that. I could be wrong.

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Hmmm- well, maybe for the same reason He raised up Pharaoh; so His glory could be displayed ? Just a thought anyway...

Romans 9:17

17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.

And

Romans 9:22-23

22 What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

God in all His Goodness Created Good things. For His very Glory in Christ Jesus. His Glory demands Free Will. He will gain no Glory from forced acts of Love. That is not Love at all. This Free will leaves room for the abuse of God's Goodness. As we now see in the rebellion of man and formerly satan himself.

He was perfect in his ways from the day he was Created, until iniquity was found in him. He then abused the very gifts and splendor of the Lord by which he was clothed and Created. he was Created and clothed to give Glory to God. However he did choose to use these gifts for his own gain.

God could have chosen to create a bunch of robots who continually sing of His Glory? In my mind that would ring about as hollow as some wind up toy of dozens of tin elves that you see singing Merry Christmas at some toy shop along the Boulevard.

The truth of the matter is this. God thought it worth the risk to give you Free will. He found it worth the risk to Create you and gain your Love. Despite the rebellion that would ensue. He is Glorified in it.

Think of a world of no risks? I mean a place where time and space bend at the very place where you or I would come into contact with harm. A place with no Free Will. To wind up the Universe and then not allow the place for happenstance? There would be no free will without happenstance. Simply because the place where harm may befall me? May be the place where your Free will decision is made? It would be like building a ship and placing it in a bottle to never float and be Free. Untested it would be a thing of beauty yet very useless other than to look at. God wants to interact with us for His Glory. We are not a ship in a bottle on some mantle somewhere. We are people who are experiencing God out on the open sea. Tested and refined found Lovers of God. Then we are outfitted for more voyages. Given a sturdier rudder and drawing ever closer to God by experience. He wants to know us and us Him.

We cannot experience God bottled up on a shelf.

The question is? Will we use our gifts and His splendor His very likeness and image to give Him Glory? Or ourselves?

Abba Father,

Help us today to side with You against ourseleves. For Your very Glory. In Jesus Christ's Mighty and Matchless name we pray, Amen.

P.S. No offense against tiny ship in a bottle builders.

Peace,

Dave

[dgolvach]

I don't think there's an answer for that. I could be wrong.

God must of known ahead of time what was gonna happen. I think you have it right. There is not a complete answer in this life time.

Dan

[Joy in the Journey]

God must of known ahead of time what was gonna happen. I think you have it right. There is not a complete answer in this life time.

Dan

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Of course He knew about it ahead of time- but that does not mean He caused it. I mean, He also knew we were going to be sinners before we were even born and yet He still created us. Why ? For His glory. It's all about Him

Blessings to you,

Tim

[NITE OWL]

I don't think there's an answer for that. I could be wrong.

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Hmmm- well, maybe for the same reason He raised up Pharaoh; so His glory could be displayed ? Just a thought anyway...

Romans 9:17

17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.

And

Romans 9:22-23

22 What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath