WOMEN PASTORS

[jackie d]

I edited it just for you Ddavid and added the !

was it too much?

[Sion]

Hello,

I am needing clarification on women pastors allowing to serve in the Shephard's capacity.

I feel that there is a calling there with some of these, but I really do not know how to make the determination of pastorial ministy.

Thank you, Gentlesound

If the Lord sends a female in the capacity of Elijah I wouldn't want to be the captain to aproach her.

[jackie d]

I hate milk toast literally AND I hate spiritual milk toast...both make me vomit. I have been to church after church and I have yet to find a place that fits the requirements of getting more than coming to the cross and all is just hunky dorey because many years ago I got dipped in water. There should be more to the church and it is oh so difficult to find.

Apparently you have never been to the church, or it's sistering congregations, that I attend. We get a lot of edification and equal fire and brimstone.

what is the church...I'll happily check it out

[irishcowboy]

church authority:

Christ,

Pastor,

assistant pastors,

elders,

deacons,

trustees,

teachers,

congregation...

social authority:

Christ

CEO

Board of directors,

Plant manager,

shift/sight foremen,

lead persons,

crew chiefs/shift supervisors,

workers

Household authority:

Christ,

Husband,

Wife,

Children

anytime we step out from under the covering of the line of authority, we subject ourselves to attacks from the enemy and we are removing ourselves from the blessings of God.... God is the one that has placed every one in the positions of leadership.

they are there to do His work,

mike

[Guest Biblicist]

AMEN! Mike.

[Guest Biblicist]

I think it is using a lot of these: ! at the end of sentences.

okay, I need to make a point here and then I'll leave this tedious topic alone.

Men want women to submit and they want to keep their headship in the family and in church....fine, I gladly hand it over to the ones who should be doing it, if they can be found. BUT, in a society that is full of broken single parent homes, a church full of passive ministers and a congregation full of believing whatever is pedaled on them causes me to stand back and allow the Lord only to be my head, for the truth is watered down and man/women like to make scripture into whatever is needed for the moment. Now I am not saying that the people here do these things but the truth is, this is the norm. And it will get increasingly worse. So, should I decide that I am being fed meat by a woman minister, then I am going to go where the meat is being served....I hate milk toast literally AND I hate spiritual milk toast...both make me vomit. I have been to church after church and I have yet to find a place that fits the requirements of getting more than coming to the cross and all is just hunky dorey because many years ago I got dipped in water. There should be more to the church and it is oh so difficult to find. I continually seek out churches where tolerance is taboo and the truth of sin and repentant hearts is preached. I want to know that there is someone out there willing to speak up about the new age God that says anything goes. And if I can't find these qualities then who is better suited to have headship over me than the Lord himself? The United States if full of arrogant, selfish and self willed people who make it very clear, if you don't think, look and act like us you are a heretic and not a child of the one true God. Funny thing is they are the ones who don't know who the one true God is.

So I challenge anyone of any gender to stand up and speak the truth!! Be a leader for God and stop worrying about whether the mainstream church of the United States aka Laodicea likes what you got to say or whether or not you wear pants. When I see someone willing to do that I will know that I have found a true leader of the Church of Christ and it won't matter not one iota their gender!

So these are the reasons why I have no headship over me but Christ. And there will be a day when I find that place that feeds me the noutrients my soul needs. Until then, I read and I study and I do what I can to stay as true to God's word as possible. This being said, God will place whomever He wants (male or female) in the position of leadership. He knows who is best suited for the position not me nor any of YOU.

I am not a minister nor am I a teacher of God's word. I am a student and a servant and I bow deeply to the Lord and only the Lord.

love and blessings to you all

(edited and added for Ddavid: !!!!!!)

I don't know what type of churches you have been attending but this is what my church teaches about "doing church" God's way. Link below. My pastor preached a series of messages on this. We are affiliated with F.I.R.E. Fellowship of Independant Reformed Evangelicals. My pastor is a member. If you're ever in Northeast Ohio, we'd love to have anyone visit. PM me for directions and location.

Following The Biblical Method of Church

[irishcowboy]

Jackie D,

I understand about being fed MILK TOAST, we are old enough (spiritually) that we should be feeding ourselves.... I understand the watered down messages given during a sermon, even the Words of Prophecy are even watered down to the point at times i want to puke, my spirit is very uneasy.

During a "REVIVAL" (that is what they were calling it) a woman spoke a word of prophecy, and it was perfectly in line with the Word of God, a word of encouragement, direction and a bit of correction in it, and the pastor told her to shut up, that what she was saying was not from God. the evangelist that was to speak even had a puzzled look on his face when she was told to be quiet, for what she had said, was almost directly out of Revelation (as far as the message, the wording was not the same, but the message was not unlike the ones given to the 7 churches.....

the pastor had his toes stepped on, about being luke warm. we were visiting the church, for anytime we can worship with others and "network" and build ties between believers we like to do that.....

as the Great Commission states, we are all called out to go to all the world, to preach the gospel of Christ.... to all people, all nations, all tongues.......

We all need some one to be accountable to..... Christ sent out the desciples in twos.... for protection and accountability....

we should go out the same way.... in twos......

I know two women that both work together, going from community to community, preaching the Gospel of Jesus.... they work together..... not much different then Paul and Silas..... they remain blameless......

Billy Graham has never made the news for having done something wrong... .why? cause he has people watching his back...

David Wilkerson, also, has never made the news in this fashion, for he also keeps his back covered...

my wife and me, work together, so there is no chance of some one saying something against either of us.... it has gotten to the point in this world, that we have to ensure our backs are covered, that we have some one at all times with us to protect us.....

the Prayer House the Lord has blessed us so with the operation of, we have chosen not to have any children's programs or events at this time, for several reasons, one being insurance is so much higher when doing events with children then with adults.... and Shiloh is run (truly a not for profit) strictly out of our pockets, so adding the insurance would increase it three fold ( ie: from $600.00 to about 1800.00) just in liability.....

many people remain with the mainstream churches, so they can afford the insurance.....

blessings.....

mike

[jackie d]

well I certainly am not going to give up on church. And I do get a lot from personal studies I am fed much meat that way.

thanks for the words Mike

[Vickilynn]

okay, I need to make a point here and then I'll leave this tedious topic alone.

Shalom Jackie,

Promise??

Men want women to submit and they want to keep their headship in the family and in church....fine, I gladly hand it over to the ones who should be doing it, if they can be found.

Actually, that is incorrect.

G-D wants women to submit to His authority structure and that means submitting to one's husband and submitting to a male spiritual authority if in a church.

So, you're saying that you can't "find" any of the the men G-d has called to be leaders in their homes and churches so you're gonna help Him out by stepping in their roles?

That makes NO sense either intellectually or Scripturally.

We either do it G-D's way or we are in rebellion. Simple!

Saying you allow the L-rd to be your head and not submitting to HIS authority structure is deceiving yourself. G-d's Word is clear that men are the ones in authority in the home and church and if a women refuses to submit to G-d's structure, she is NOT allowing the L-rd to be her head, but she is placing herself ABOVE G-d by not submitting to Him.

It's an old trick to say "G-d is my authority, I need no one else." , but that's not what the Bible teaches, so if a woman goes against her husband's authority or over men in church, she is NOT having G-d as her authority, she is having herself.

Society has nothing to do with anything. G-d's Word is His Word. If one rebells against G-d's Word and makes excuses for it (there are NO good men left!! ), the person needs to know they are rebelling against G-d, not men.

[jackie d]

Shalom Jackie,

Promise??

no I don't.....