WOMEN PASTORS

[irishcowboy]

wow, sorry, after I left my post, i went back and was reading many of the other posts, and then noticed that the date of the original post was about 2 and half years ago, and some of the people are no longer with us (on this board)... sheeesh, how time flies ......

blessings to alll..

mike

[patricia1]

Hi Mike..it is always a issue. I believe, and someone correct me if I am wrong, Jackie D. put it up there on the 19th. It was probably found instead of opening a new thread. Your answer still stands though. 2005 seems a long time ago and then again it shows the issues remain the same. Lol

[jackie d]

Hi Mike..it is always a issue. I believe, and someone correct me if I am wrong, Jackie D. put it up there on the 19th. It was probably found instead of opening a new thread. Your answer still stands though. 2005 seems a long time ago and then again it shows the issues remain the same. Lol

I don't get what you mean patricia.

[jackie d]

My bible is NKJV Spirit Filled Life Bible by Jack Hayford. Listen to his commentary regarding women and their roles in ministry....I really appreciate his last comments.

Acts 21:9 Now this man had four virgin daughters who prophesied.

COMMENTARY Notes of Jack Hayford below:

" Women and NT ministry (Philip's daughters), biblical women. This reference to Philip's daughter's each exercising the gifts of prophecy makes clear that women DID bring God's word by the power of the Holy Spirit and that such ministry was fully accepted in the early church. This is reinforced by Paul in 1 Cor 11:5, where he directs 1) that a woman may "prophesy, but 2) that she must be properly "covered", that is rightly related to her husband or other spiritual authority, a regulation incumbent upon all spiritual leadership-male or female (see 1 Tim 3:1-13)

It is puzzling why the place of women in ministry is constested by some in the church. Women had an equal place in the Upper Room, awaiting the Holy Spirit's coming and the birth of the church (Acts 1:14). Then Peter's prophetic sermon at Pentecost affirmed the OT promise now to be realized: "your daughters" and "maidservants" would now share fully and equally with men in realizing the anointing, fullness, and ministry of the Holy Spirit, making them effective in witness and service for the spread of the gospel.

The the place of men seems more pronounced in the number who filled leadership offices, there does not appear to be any direct restriction of privilege. Note: 1) the direct mention of Phoebe as a deacon ("servant," Greek diakonia, Rom. 16:1); 2) John's letter to an "elect [chosen] lady" with instructions concerning whom she allows to minister in her "house" (a designation for early church fellowships, 2 John); and 3) 1 Cor 1:11 and Phil 4:2 where Chloe and Euodia seem to be women in whose homes believers gather. The method of designation suggests they were the appointed leaders in their respective fellowhips.

The acceptance of women in a public place of ministry in the church is not a concession to the spirit of the feminist movement. But the refusal of such a place might be a concession to an order of male chauvinism, unwarranted by and unsupported in the Scriptures. Clearly, women did speak-preach and prophesy-in the early church (see 1 Tim. 2:8-15)"

end commentary

[patricia1]

Jackie...the original post if you go back to the first page...look at the date. The original question was posted in the year of 2005. I think that is what you are questioning about what do you mean ,patricia.

I do not believe in the Spirit of God making a choice of gender when it comes to His gifts and offices.

I personally do not have a pastors heart, yet I can pastor if need be for a short time. If God calles be to pastor a church, ( He has'n in all my years) He will have to give me a new heart.

I know where God has positioned me Spiritually in His Kingdom. Thats I hope is more clearer yet I have been ordained as such it is not my call.

[Guest LadyC]

Gentle, the Bible forbids women pastors.

1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

It's an easy decision seeing that the Word of God is pretty specific.

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But.....what if there either are no men ( or no qualified men ) or there are no men willing to take the role of Pastor in a particular church ? Is God going to fill that position with a qualified woman, or is He so legalistic that He'll just let the church fend for herself without any leadership ? Should an unqualified man take the position over a qualified woman for the sake of gender roles ?

I see nothing wrong with a woman pastor if she's been called by God to lead. If it's based on some "women's rights" movement or if she's trying to prove some point to herself- yeah, that's the wrong reason... but who are we to say God hasn't called her to serve in leadership ? ( I'm sure there have been many a men who over the years entered the ministry for the wrong reasons...yet their motivation is never called into question )

I'm sure I'll come under fire for my position here, but it's how I feel about the subject.

Blessings,

Tim

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God has declared in His Word that a woman is not to do the job.

If God is for the formation of this Church body then He'll provide a competent man to lead it.

Being a Pastor is a calling from God. God does not call women to be Pastors simply because He said they weren't to serve in that capacity.

Is God legalistic? Perhaps. But, what He says goes. If you want Christ to be the head of the church you have to let Him reign.

i believe you're taking things out of context. not necessarily scripture, but the role of a woman as a pastor.

if the woman is preaching and has no male authority over her, then certainly that is unbiblical. but if the woman is a pastor UNDER a male pastor, or is a senior pastor who is under the authority of an all male church counsel, then she is not "uncovered" and is not usurping any authority.

now the debate could easily focus on who she is allowed to preach/teach to... certainly scripture does not imply she can not teach other women or children. can she take over and deliver a sermon to a mixed congregation? i think so, as long as she is subject to the authority of a male and does not deliver any sermons that have not been approved by him.

[Ddavid from NC]

If a woman is not submitting or refuses to submit where she is Biblicially required, she has nothing worth hearing. Now interpreting when she is pushing herself into a leadership role that is not hers rightfully depends on the particular situation. My grandmother is in a church in rural eastern NC where there are no qualified males to teach or lead. What do u do? The community is full of old widows and children and they can't afford a pastor but own the building.

[exrockstar]

i believe you're taking things out of context. not necessarily scripture, but the role of a woman as a pastor.

if the woman is preaching and has no male authority over her, then certainly that is unbiblical. but if the woman is a pastor UNDER a male pastor, or is a senior pastor who is under the authority of an all male church counsel, then she is not "uncovered" and is not usurping any authority.

now the debate could easily focus on who she is allowed to preach/teach to... certainly scripture does not imply she can not teach other women or children. can she take over and deliver a sermon to a mixed congregation? i think so, as long as she is subject to the authority of a male and does not deliver any sermons that have not been approved by him.

wow, that is one loophole if ive ever seen one.

i apologize for asking this but do you accept or believe in 1st Timothy 3?

those scriptures deny her position not matter who's over who.

[Guest LadyC]

where in 1 tim 3 are you finding anything that contradicts what you call my "loophole"?

and if it's such a loophole, then why did God make exceptions for certain women in the Bible?

[Guest LadyC]

back to 1 timothy 2.

11A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.

again.... nothing in this contradicts my position. the woman is to be in submission. a woman is not to have the authority over a man.

a woman is not to teach a man. now therein lies the crux of what i said regarding this could be debated over who she is allowed to teach, preach, or deliver a sermon to. and again, if she is delivering a sermon in lieu of the male pastor's absence, and yet the sermon has been authorized by the male pastor, who is actually in authority over the sermon being delivered? NOT the female pastor.