"My" New Church Being Destroyed by Liberal Politics

[Ray12614]

On 4/19/2022 at 3:22 AM, TJGospels said:

What's interesting is that the pastor does not list a phone number or email. The only way to contact him is in person after service. I found it telling that he completely ignored one of the volunteers who thanked him for his sermon. This volunteer is highly active and well liked by everyone in the church as far as I can tell.

The pastor continued walking, and barely acknowledged him. I thought it was rather tactless, borderline insulting. He barely broke his pace, looked over his shoulder (may or may not have nodded), and kept on walking. 

Pre 2020, he used to make himself readily available after service, waiting in the lobby for anyone who wanted to talk. Now, even a highly active and well liked volunteer can barely get a word in edge wise. 

Everyone seems to be on edge: the lead pastor, the assistant pastors, and the congregation. The lead pastor was dismayed at one point because EVERYONE in attendance was seated in the back third of the auditorium! There is some palpable level of fear and intimidation there.

Sometimes, I wonder why people even bother. The pastors are picking up a paycheck, but why are people attending when they are afraid of the pastor?

Okay, so the pastor is incommunicado, then inform one of the leaders, or, other individual that you have seen regularly, and tell them you are leaving and why.

Then, simply leave and find another church that has a 'family atmosphere', and preaches/teaches the un-compromised Bible. Yes, it is work on your part, but, sooooo worth it when you find you church family.

Blessings to you and yours . . . . 

Ray . . .  

[Ani Tefillah]

38 minutes ago, Ray12614 said:

Okay, so the pastor is incommunicado, then inform one of the leaders, or, other individual that you have seen regularly, and tell them you are leaving and why.

Then, simply leave and find another church that has a 'family atmosphere', and preaches/teaches the un-compromised Bible. Yes, it is work on your part, but, sooooo worth it when you find you church family.

Blessings to you and yours . . . . 

Ray . . .  

I know you mean it well when you say that one can only find an un-comprimised Bible congregation, but that is nowadays almost impossible! It is in Norway 🇳🇴, anyway. 

[TJGospels]

3 hours ago, Ray12614 said:

Okay, so the pastor is incommunicado, then inform one of the leaders, or, other individual that you have seen regularly, and tell them you are leaving and why.

Then, simply leave and find another church that has a 'family atmosphere', and preaches/teaches the un-compromised Bible. Yes, it is work on your part, but, sooooo worth it when you find you church family.

Blessings to you and yours . . . . 

Ray . . .  

I have found just that, however, I have to drive a ways, so cannot visit as often as I'd like. 

[tim_from_pa]

On 4/16/2022 at 2:26 AM, MonicaWife said:

Amen and Amen! 

Can you please tell me where you have put your predictions in here? I've only been here since February. Thanks! 

My predictions (actually just teaching the bible) are not on this forum as I am relatively new here too.  I was talking about what I said years ago in my church, other places online and to my family and friends.

[Ani Tefillah]

39 minutes ago, tim_from_pa said:

My predictions (actually just teaching the bible) are not on this forum as I am relatively new here too.  I was talking about what I said years ago in my church, other places online and to my family and friends.

Oh, I see. Maybe you could consider to make a blog about it in here one day, if you feel that the Lord wants you to? May the Lord's peace and grace be with you and your family! 

[Dennis1209]

On 4/14/2022 at 7:12 PM, TJGospels said:

This has been tentatively speaking, my primary church for a little under a year. It had always been a great medium sized church prior to 2020 but everything went bonkers and this church went sideways very quickly like most in our very liberal state. 

Things have been "fine" more or less since 2021 with many staff and church members reaching out to me to make me feel as welcome as possible, given the circumstances. Likewise, I've tried my best to be a good citizen, and also helping out with modest but regular donations.

For better or worse, the church has encouraged smaller group participation and with a great deal of reluctance, I've dipped my feet in and holy smokes the church staff is disturbingly liberal and dogmatic. In the smaller group discussions in particular, led by some of the lower level staff, it has been nothing but liberal dogma and indoctrination with severe censorship of those expressing non-orthodoxy. The bigger discussion groups led by actual pastors have been run much more smoothly.

I have made it known that I am going to speak my mind and criticize these bizarre, anti-christian liberal positions whenever possible. The lower level staff are getting very nervous as they are attempting to maintain a polite facade while trying to shut down anyone who disagrees with them. 

Sometimes, other low level staff walk by or even sit-in and seem disturbed that ANYONE dare disagree with a fellow staff member and they are being very, very intimidating in their body language. 

I think a lot of people would be surprised (maybe not?) to see how hostile church staff can become when a lowly church member dares to disagree with them. 

I find the entire situation laughable, pathetic yet more than vaguely menacing. I am really worried that given the liberal politics of my state, I won't be able to find any better, and am likely to encounter much worse. 
I could take a time out at this point but that sounds boring. I could seek out alternative churches but they are likely to be at least as liberal if not more so. I am still shocked at how power hungry low level church staff are and how quickly they will resort to open intimidation when challenged.

Has anyone encountered anything like this? I am beyond disappointed. 

From your post, it sounds like you are making assumptions and generalities. Have you physically checked out what is available in your local area or within driving distance? Even in liberal cities and states, every person and church is not liberal.

I did my homework before selecting my home church. The Holy Spirit was even whispering in my ear. Most churches have an online presence with their stated beliefs, and most have a published church covenant and statement of faith. I read and digested those statements, determined which churches to visit, and went from there.

I came from a non-denominational, Bible-believing, Gospel preaching church. None of those in my area, but the independent Southern Baptist church I now attend mirrors my own core beliefs.

Everyone will always have different hermeneutic views with prophecy and some secondary theological views. The core tenants of the faith matter to me the most in selecting a church.

[Ray12614]

On 4/21/2022 at 9:46 AM, MonicaWife said:

I know you mean it well when you say that one can only find an un-comprimised Bible congregation, but that is nowadays almost impossible! It is in Norway 🇳🇴, anyway. 

Sorry to hear that Monica . . . Prayers for you and your fellow Christians in Norway!!!

[Ray12614]

On 4/21/2022 at 12:45 PM, TJGospels said:

I have found just that, however, I have to drive a ways, so cannot visit as often as I'd like. 

A church that is alive is worth the drive . . . 

Blessings to you and yours . . . Ray . .