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7 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

But Jerusalem IS NOT the Harlot of Revelation 17, ALL False Religion of All Time is the Harlot. Israel were not even a nation in God's eyes for 2000 years so how can she have all the Martyrs of Jesus' Blood on her hands? Its just bad eschatology and IMHO, people who refuse tp move off of that are just in error.

The Harlot = FALSE REIGION  and se rode the Beast with 7 Heads and 10 Horns until they KILLED HER OFF in Rev. 17. SIMPLE TRANSLATION.

False Religion was a mainstay in Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome BUT not in the last Beast System pe se because they have moved past Diana, Jupiter, Sun Gods, etc. they are way "too smart" (LOL) for that, they now worship MANKIND or Humanism. They all think alike, their is "NO CREATOR" at all we just got here, I mean they don't thing even Jupiter created us, much less God Almighty, thus the Last Beast and his 10 Kings (Complete Europe) will KIL OFF all Religions, thus this is the Harlot being Judged, Islam will be wiped out, Buddhism, Hinduism et al and they will kill all the Christians who come to Christ after the Rapture, and will try to wipe out all the Jews, but we know 1/3 (which is 3-5 million Jews) of them Repent and God thus protects them in the Wilderness for 1260 days.

So, like Hosea, God will accept Israel when she is Old and no one wants her anymore, or everyone hates her. Israel played the Harlot, but we can see throughout scripture God is going to save ALL Israel, not every Jew. He promised this to Abraham, we can see in Zechariah 13:8-9 that 2/3 of the Jews refuse to repent and will perish but 1/3 repents and calls God God again and He calls them His sons again. No City is the Harlot, the whole World is Babylon the Harlot, we have all sinned, but only those who refuse to repent will be judged  via God's Righteous Wrath.

And there is a reason the CODE WORD Babylon was used. If the word World had been used. Rome would have seen that as treason, but since Babylon was used, they laughed. these people say a Dead City is going to be Judged, Ha ha ha. Harlotry is all false religion, she was co-mingled at the hip with False Governance. As a matter of fact Google Scarlet and Purple, it expressly says these were very expensive dyes to create in olden times and thus were used exclusively by Royals and the Priesthood (Israel's High Priests used Purple) and thus when God uses Scarlet and Purple in Rev. 17 He is saying this is False Religion (Harlot) and False Governance (Beast she is co-mingled with Egypt, to Rome to the Anti-Christ and his 10 or Europe reunited). The Harlot rides The Beast.

The Church is in Heaven at this time God LEFT the 5 Virgins, she has been Judged. God says in Zechariah 13:8-9 that 2/3 of the Jews will refuse to repent and will be CUT-OFF or perish, but 1/3 will repent, thus Judgment in both cases are God starting to Judge the Church and Israel BEFORE the Day of the Lord arrive because in Zechariah 14:1 (the very next verse) it says Behold the Day of the Lord has Arrived.

As per the Merchants, lets look at this from 10,000 feet, In told you it was Prose. Now look at this in a different light.

1/3 of the World is on fire, smoke blots out the sun by 1/3 around the world, what God is doin is conveying the sense of SEE, SEE, SEE, you trusted in this evil world, in gold, in money, in your own wealth, in your own ideologies, now they are all gone, they are burning up, your riches mean nothing, your vain glory means nothing, the Merchants cry and wail, all of there buyers are dying, the Wealth the trusted in is USELESS !! God is just showing us a PAINTED PICTURE of the THOUGHTS of their hearts sister. 

Rev. 18:11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:(Dying)

12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,

13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.

15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her,(This Evil World...Porn sells, Drugs sell, wickedness sells) shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment,(Simply means men are trying to HIDE in caves etc. like Seal #6 says) weeping and wailing,...........

20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her. (Wicked World)

21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. {Satan is bound and loses his Kingdom over men}

24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Everyone on earth that was Murdered was done so under the LIARS Satan's Kingdom of Babylon the Great.

Babel means confusion, what greater description of this than Babylon the Great? Satan so CONFUSED the masses that they go to war against their own loving Creator. Nothing says Babylon like that a WORLD DECIVED and sadly CONFUSED.

Amen. Glory to God, we will be victorious, even via our own blood and trials we win in the end.

Jerusalem is the "Great City", your claim that false religions equals "Great City" is wrong in my OP

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24 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

OK, I still already know who the little horn is though. Tough little feller. 

I know who Daniel's (Little Horn) will be, the very same bad guy as Paul's (Man Of Sin) and John's (The Beast)

A "Future" human man,  who is a King/Ruler of Jewish/Hebrew decent, who will proclaim to be Messiah God in Jerusalem, starting the "Future" Great Tribulation of 3.5 years

The tough fellers will be the (Two Witnesses) of Revelation chapter 11, it will be a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt, "All Plagues As Often As They Will"

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Just now, truth7t7 said:

I know who Daniel's (Little Horn) will be, the very same guy as Paul's (Man Of Sin) and John's (The Beast)

A "Future" King/Ruler of Jewish/Hebrew decent, who will proclaim to be Messiah God in Jerusalem, starting the "Future" Great Tribulation of 3.5 years

No, it's not. I realized who the little horn was after reading about his victory over the three larger horns. 

They no longer have control of the seven heads. It belongs to the little horn now.

 https://biblehub.com/daniel/7-24.htm

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5 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

No, it's not. I realized who the little horn was after reading about his victory over the three larger horns. 

They no longer have control of the seven heads. It belongs to the little horn now.

 https://biblehub.com/daniel/7-24.htm

That is your "Opinion" and I respectfully disagree

"In Revelation 17:9" The 7 heads are literal Mountains where Jerusalem sits, not 7 kingdoms as you believe and teach, we disagree

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12 hours ago, nobody said:

 Waters meaning few items depending on text. The darkness of space (waters above) as God has made with all building blocks needed to create us and the stars. The finger of God set in motion the cosmos as the building blocks combined, stars are formed then became light and planets became dry land. The same can be understood as a planet is created also, (waters below) can confuse many.

Yes, of course but in this instance it comes right before God said let there be light. So I studied the actual science, without our bio dome atmosphere our earth would not be illuminated as it is, light beams travel in straight beams, they must be reflected, when astronauts leave our atmosphere it gets much darker, our moisture in the air (designed by God) is why our earth can light our planet, why we ca grow food etc. how we get vitamin D which we must have to live etc. 

Son, in this instance, the water is spoken of before the LIGHT is spoken of on purpose by God who (LOL of course) understands the process He did things in. 

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4 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Jerusalem is the "Great City", your claim that false religions equals "Great City" is wrong in my OP

No, I am correct am you are wrong, you can't even explain it, I can. You need to serve God in your calling, it is definitely not Eschatology brother. 

By the way, you can't even grasp what I say, either you answer without reading which is a NO NO in my book, or you just can't comprehend it all.

I stated THAY CITY is Babylon, and Babylon is one of THREE DESCRIPTORS that gives us the UNDERSTANDING id who THAT HARLOT WOMAN is.

MYSTERY (? Question Mark)......then THREE DESCRIPTORTS which DESCRIBE who the Harlot is !! Get it ?

1.) Babylon the Great

2.) Mother of Harlots

3.) Abominations of the Earth

1.) Babylon has always been seen as the False Religion Mecca, its associated with 100s of False Religion, it was the birthplace of the Horoscope etc. etc.

2.) False Religion is the MOTHER of all Harlotry, you would not have False Governance if mankind Worshiped the one true God.

3.) Abominations of the Earth is describing how God sees False Religion, He is a JEALOUS God and thus He sees False Religion as an Abomination. 

So, all you have is THAT CITY is not the False Religion, and I never stated ONE CITY was False Religion or The Harlot, that seems to be more in your thinking tbh, you try to says it is Jerusalem, we see what THAT CITY is in verses 3-6, its Babylon the Great, and its a DESCRIPTOR !!!!! Just like the other two are DESCRIPTORS, you are the on e who can't grasp this brother, your ideas are ALL IMPORTANT, thus God can't reach you with His truths on this issue.

Do you know the difference between you and I ? I wrote a blog saying Rome was THAT CITY (LOL) and spend a lot of time on it, then the Holy Spirit was like, "Ron, you are wrong, look at the actual vision" (verses 3-6). And it hit me, THAT CITY was Babylon, and Babylon was not one of FOUR points of understanding, but one of THREE DESCRIPTORS describing what the Mystery is, as verse 7 tells us, the Angel explains THE MYSTERY, which simply means Secret by God's Silence (MUSTERION or to shut the mouth).

So, the difference is I am willing to hear God tell me I am wrong, you cant hear that small still voice of correction it seems brother. And by the way, I was the same way for 30 years until one night in deep prayer I asked God why there are so many different interpretations on things like Babylon, the 144,000, the Beast, The Woman, etc. etc. and I got this "Ron , you guys already know it all" a short and sweet SMACK DOWN. So, after that I learned to hear correction, because I quit assuming I was right on anything that was ify or contradictory, and I simply asked Gid to SHOW ME His truths, this his whispers to me YOU ARE WRONG at times, but only because I am willing to hear that. 

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4 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

The "Woman" who is the "Whore" is a great city "She" and that great city is Jerusalem

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Isaiah chapter 23.  The whore of Babylon is bigger than Jerusalem.  She was in Tyre also.

 

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2 hours ago, Sister said:

truth7t7

Isaiah chapter 23.  The whore of Babylon is bigger than Jerusalem.  She was in Tyre also.

 

The subject is Revelation chapters 17-18, concerning the "Woman" and this woman is Jerusalem "The Great City" the Whore

(Jerusalem) Is The Whore, Mystery Babylon The Great.
 
The Levitical High Priest Dressing represents "The Woman" Jerusalem, that is dressed in purple, scarlet, gold, and precious stones as seen below
 
(Revelation) 17:4KJV
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
 
Yes "The Woman", The Levitical High Priest, Dressed In Purple, Scarlet, Gold, And Precious Stones
 
(Exodus) 28:15-20KJV
15 And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment with cunning work; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; of gold, of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and of fine twined linen, shalt thou make it.
16 Foursquare it shall be being doubled; a span shall be the length thereof, and a span shall be the breadth thereof.
17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.
18 And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond.
19 And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst.
20 And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings.
 
(Jerusalem) is the seven Mount city, where the woman sits, not Rome as many falsely claim.
 
(Revelation) 17:9KJV
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
 
Jerusalem, Israel: Jerusalem's seven hills are Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the Old City), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.
 
The Roman Empire didnt exist to be guilty of the Prophets blood seen below, Jerusalem did.
 
(Revelation) 18:24KJV
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
 
(Matthew) 23:29-37KJV
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
 
Jerusalem (The Woman) that (Great City) as seen below, Jerusalem where Jesus Christ was crucified
 
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
 
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
 
Jews/Hebrews cast dust upon their heads, weeping for the (Great City) Jerusalem
 
19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.
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31 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

The subject is Revelation chapters 17-18, concerning the "Woman" and this woman is Jerusalem "The Great City" the Whore

And I am nudging you to take a look at Isaiah 23 to get a better understanding of Babylon that proves Jerusalem is not the Whore.

I stated that the Whore is the commerce and trade side of Babylon.  Not the spiritual side, or the political side, the warring side, or a national side, but the material side. The trading of goods.

This woman was there in Tyrus.  Was Jerusalem Tyrus?

Tyre was destroyed in the past, but the scripture describes her punishment in the end times.  How is that?

 

 

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46 minutes ago, Sister said:

And I am nudging you to take a look at Isaiah 23 to get a better understanding of Babylon that proves Jerusalem is not the Whore.

I stated that the Whore is the commerce and trade side of Babylon.  Not the spiritual side, or the political side, the warring side, or a national side, but the material side. The trading of goods.

This woman was there in Tyrus.  Was Jerusalem Tyrus?

Tyre was destroyed in the past, but the scripture describes her punishment in the end times.  How is that?

 

 

John was given the "Prophetic" Revelation in roughly 95AD, his writing isn't "Historical" looking back

Jerusalem is the "Woman" the whore, the great city, mystery Babylon the great

Im fully aware of your presentation, We respectfully disagree, "Prophetic" not "Historical"

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