Did John Forget Christ??????

[yomotalking]

In Luke, it says John sent his own followers to go to Christ, and ask him if he was the Christ.

But it says in John's Gospel,that John spoke to the crowd about who Jesus was..,..,

So.....?

Did he forget afterwards......?

Or.....did he want to make sure?

[irishcowboy]

we all have our times...

mike

[Leonard]

I don't think John 'forgot.' But Jesus was certainly not acting like the Jewish expectation for their Messiah! Had to make John wonder......

[Guest shiloh357]

In Luke, it says John sent his own followers to go to Christ, and ask him if he was the Christ.

But it says in John's Gospel,that John spoke to the crowd about who Jesus was..,..,

So.....?

Did he forget afterwards......?

Or.....did he want to make sure?

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Yomo,

The ancient Rabbis had a debate based upon the following passages:

Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise: thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; thy father's children shall bow down before thee. Judah is a lion's whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up? The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be. Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass's colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes: His eyes shall be red with wine, and his teeth white with milk.

(Genesis 49:8-12)

Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall: The archers have sorely grieved him, and shot at him, and hated him: But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob; (from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel:) Even by the God of thy father, who shall help thee; and by the Almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb: The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren.

(Genesis 49:22-26)

They saw in these two passages, two different "Messiahs." They saw in Gen 49:8-12, "King Messiah" or "Messiah ben David" as he was known in Rabbinic literature. This was a conqueror and man of war.

in 49:22-26 they see "Messiah ben Joseph" a suffering Messiah, a Torah teacher, and miracle worker.

So rabbinic debate even in the days of Jesus was, concerning whether there would be two Messiahs; a suffering Messiah and King Messiah, OR would there be ONE Messiah to fulfill both roles.

John the Baptist was not forgetting, nor was He doubting. He knew Jesus was Messiah. He wanted to know if there would be another one to fulfill Messiah ben David, or if He would fill both roles. Remember the question was, are you the ONE or should we wait for another. Jesus' two-fold answer to John was that He was fullfilling both roles.

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Shiloh,

That was a good response, I hadn't heard that before. What I had heard was that John's disciples were continuing to hang around John and not following the Messiah, and that John was attempting to lead them in the right direction by sending them to Jesus. But I like your response better.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[Fiosh]

Hi Shiloh,

I never heard that interpretation either. Interesting.

Where can the info on the debate between the rabbis regarding Genesis be found?

Is it written history, church documents/literature, or oral tradition?

Thanks,

F

[eric]

Thanks for that Shiloh. I heard a vidoe lecturer by a messianic jew named Jacod Prasch about ten years ago, and he said almost the same as you did.

He is on line at www.moriel.org Avery good site.

e

[eric]

sorry try this link.

My Webpage

[yomotalking]

ok..........that got me confused there.

[Guest shiloh357]

ok..........that got me confused there.

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What got you confused?