The Correct Chronology of Revelation Chapters 6 and 7

[Revelation Man]

12 minutes ago, The Light said:

This is true, and yet the Church will be the early summer harvest. It is the twelve tribes across the earth that will be harvested on the fall fruit harvest.

The Church s the Barley Harvest, the Wheat grows with the tares till the end, the wicked Grapes are placed into the Wine-press at the same time the Wheat is Harvested. The LAST TRUMP end the Summer Harvest. That always happens in the fall, not in summer.

[The Light]

35 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

The Church s the Barley Harvest,

The dead in Christ is the barley harvest. They will rise first during Passover as Jesus did.

35 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

the Wheat grows with the tares till the end,

You might do some quick research on this. The wheat crop is planted in the fall and is harvested around Pentecost.

35 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

the wicked Grapes are placed into the Wine-press at the same time the Wheat is Harvested.

This is not correct. The wheat is harvested around Pentecost and the priest presents both a barley and wheat loaf.

35 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

The LAST TRUMP end the Summer Harvest. That always happens in the fall, not in summer.

The wheat harvest occurs on Pentecost. The fruit harvest happens in the fall.

Additionally, the fig tree has two harvests.

[Revelation Man]

3 hours ago, The Light said:

The dead in Christ is the barley harvest. They will rise first during Passover as Jesus did.

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Wrong. The Church will be Raptured on the LAST TRUMP. When is/was the Last Trump blown? On the Feast of Trumps they blew 99 Trumps in 9 sets of 11 and the LAST TRUMP or 100th trump officially ended the Harvest (Church Age) then the Feast of Atonement (Israel must ATONE) and Tabernacle (Means to DWELL with God) and Israel dwells with God (Jesus) for 1000 years in the Kingdom Age.

The 7 Feasts were Holy Convocations (Dress Rehearsals) for actual coming events in Israel lifespan.

1.) Passover was OVER with Jesus death. The Unleavened Bread was Jesus' life without sin. 3.) The First-fruits Jesus fulfilled by being RAISED from the dead. 4.)The Feast of weeks is under way as we speak, the Summer Harvest/Pentecost is about the Church Age Harvesting souls. 5.) The Feast of Trumps (FALL EVENT) always ended the Summer Harvest, the Trumps blow when the New Moon/New Year arrives. 6.) Then via the Feast of Atonement 3-5 million Jews repent and flee Judea for the Mountains in the Jordan area, or the Petra/Bozrah area. 7.) The Feast of Tabernacles is fulfilled when Jesus sits n David's throne

3 hours ago, The Light said:

You might do some quick research on this. The wheat crop is planted in the fall and is harvested around Pentecost.

The Harvest is over at the LAST TRUMP. All things do not crossover on al parables. Jesus is not going to DIE AGAIN, or come to earth as a Human Sacrifice again, or be RAISED again, he is currently the High Priest over us Harvesting souls for God. He will blow the LAST TRUMP during the Feast of Trumps., which is in the Fall. 

3 hours ago, The Light said:

This is not correct. The wheat is harvested around Pentecost and the priest presents both a barley and wheat loaf.

Get off the TIMING man, the Three Harvests are used in conjunction with what order they come in, the Barley is FIRST, the other two come in later. Why is it you strain at a gnat on that but not on the ACTUAL TIMING of the Feasts which is FAR MORE IMPORTANT. The Summer Harvest ends via the Feast of Trumps IN GENERAL..........as per te Three Festivals that ae celebrated, the Varley COME IN before the other two and Barley does not need to be CRUSHED, Wheat does !! I do nit care about the nth degree of when they come in, the ORDER the come in is all that is important. The Barley (Church) is Harvested FIRST, the Wheat later. The Harvest of Souls IN GENERAL ends at the Feast of Trumps in the fall. This is why Paul called it the LAST TRUMP.

3 hours ago, The Light said:

The wheat harvest occurs on Pentecost. The fruit harvest happens in the fall.

It STARTS at the Pentecost. 

3 hours ago, The Light said:

Additionally, the fig tree has two harvests.

The Spring Harvest was Israel, the summer Harvest is the Church

[The Light]

6 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Wrong. The Church will be Raptured on the LAST TRUMP. When is/was the Last Trump blown?

No. The Church is raptured at the trump of God. The twelve tribes across the earth will be raptured at the Last Trump which is blown on the Feast of trumpets.

6 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

 

On the Feast of Trumps they blew 99 Trumps in 9 sets of 11 and the LAST TRUMP or 100th trump officially ended the Harvest (Church Age)

The dead in Christ - Barley harvest - Passover. The Church - The wheat harvest - Pentecost.

The Twelve tribes across the earth - the fall fruit harvest - Feast of Trumpets.

6 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

 

1.) Passover was OVER with Jesus death.

The harvest has not occurred. Jesus was first fruits of the harvest.

6 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

 

The Harvest is over at the LAST TRUMP.

The fall fruit harvest is over. It is the twelve tribes that will be harvested at the last trump.

6 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The Spring Harvest was Israel, the summer Harvest is the Church

No brother. The early summer harvest is the Church. Israel has not been harvested.

Hosea 9

10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.

God saw the fathers of the Jews as the first fruits of the fig tree at her first time. This means that God saw the Jews as the first harvest. But the Jews served other Gods so the Jews will not be the first harvest. The Gentles will be the first harvest.

Rom 11

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

When the fullness of the Gentiles comes in with the pre 70th week rapture of the Church, part of Israel will have its blindness removed. This is the twelve tribes across the earth, the seed of the woman.

And what do the Jews see when their eyes are opened and the Church has been raptured?

Jeremiah 8

20 The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved.

Here are the 144,000 first fruits of the coming harvest of the 12 tribes.

Rev 14

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Edited June 24, 2022 by The Light

[Revelation Man]

10 hours ago, The Light said:

No. The Church is raptured at the trump of God. The twelve tribes across the earth will be raptured at the Last Trump which is blown on the Feast of trumpets.

There are no "12 Tribes" across the globe/earth. Jews are kept on earth for the most art because thy repent after the Rapture. The Rapture is Jesus SOUNDING the Trump, just as Rev. 4:1 describes, its his VOICE that calls us home and reverberates as a Trumpet where only we with the Holy Spirit will hear that call. 

Thus Jesus will blow the Trump in the Fall. The Jews and the Church ate not ONE. They each have a different calling.

10 hours ago, The Light said:

The dead in Christ - Barley harvest - Passover. The Church - The wheat harvest - Pentecost.

The Twelve tribes across the earth - the fall fruit harvest - Feast of Trumpets.

No use in debating this you clearly do not understand it.

10 hours ago, The Light said:

The harvest has not occurred. Jesus was first fruits of the harvest.

Ignore the POINTS........Which makes me wonder why I have replied to this POINT. Each Feast were a Holy Convocation to a REAL FUTURE EVENT, get it now? I think you got it before, ignoring points that defeat your arguments do not make you win debates brother.

So what does THAT ANSWER have to do with my point that Passover was OVER with Jesus Death, he ATONED once and for all for our sins. LIKEWISE (that's a juxtaposition) ALL 7 Feasts were pointing to ACTUAL EVENTS, just like the Passover (Jesus death) the Unleavened Bread (Jesus' life lived without sin) First-fruits (Jesus Resurrection), all FULFILLED. 

Now we are in the Feast of weeks/Pentecost or Summer Harvest, you IGNORING this fact changes nothing brother. And the Feast of Trump comes in the fall, so when is the Harvest ended? In the Fall of course !! Why is that so hard to admit? The Passover was kept at EXACTLY 9:00 AM, the Last Trump will be blown in the fall our our Calendar, just as it was before the Gregorian Calendar as ever created. It is not going to change. 

The Harvest is the Church Harvesting souls fir Christ, the dead are Harvested already if they be in Christ. Workers Harvest. The Marriage has not occurred, the Harvest is occurring as we speak, Jesus brings in the FULL HARVEST, at the very end via a supernatural event, this will happen in THE FALL, of course the Harvest lasts all summer, who thinks the Harvest ONLY comes in on the las day of Harvest Season? The facts are this, on the day Harvest ends in Israel, it was mostly ceremonious anyway, the vast majority 99.9 percent had been Harvested, that's why you end the Harvest !! They did leave a certain portion in the fields for the poor to eat, by law from God !! Amen. Look for a 2025 fall Rapture if the Apophis Asteroid is the coming Day of the Lord.

11 hours ago, The Light said:

The fall fruit harvest is over. It is the twelve tribes that will be harvested at the last trump.

We are still in the Summer Harvest, so how is "THE FALL" Harvest over? If anything the Fall Harvest will be the Jews only, the 3-5 million Jews who are Harvested at the Atonement or Feast of Atonement. Bit that is not one of the 7 Feasts, so you conflate the points God has made and try to interject "Lights Point", it doesn't work like that. You never hear anything but what you believe to be true and thus want to hear, thus how is God ever going to change you from any MISCONCEPTION you have? 

11 hours ago, The Light said:

No brother. The early summer harvest is the Church. Israel has not been harvested.

You miss the whole point, that was on the Fulness of the Gentiles or the Mantle changing from Israel, to the Gentiles and LASTLY back to the Gentiles.

Israel had a Spring Harvest and a Summer Harvest, I likened that notice THAT not the 7 Feasts, to Israel having a mandate by God given unto them, their Harvest consisted of giving the world the Law of God in writing, and the Biblical texts, and giving the whole world a Human Sacrifice by Birthing Jesus, and finally their last calling was to Birth the Gentile Church. Many souls came unto God via that Harvest, not as many of course, but Abram and Daniel are dead in their Messiah who SAVED them from eternal death, so Israel in JUXTAPOSTION was a type of Spring Harvest. Then the Summer Harvest came, that represents the Time of the Gentiles, and we are Harvesting souls. 

We can go further if you wish. When the Time of the Gentiles is come in, then the Trump is blown to end the Summer Harvest. You say the Fruit Harvest is in the Fall, so when Israel ATONES we can I guess say the Mantle has changed again, now Israel is back on the clock. If you want to say its a Fruit Harvest, more power to you, but eve that fits, but Daniel and Abraham were already Harvested by that point. 

IMHO, you use anything you ca to try and win a lost debate. You can never beat me in a debate because I follow the facts. Its a lost cause. You will never look at the 7 FEARS REALTIMING, you will try to throw in some red herring. Let me simplify it.

THREE IN THE SPRING (Israel)

One in the Summer (Gentile Church)

THREE IN THE FALL (Israel)

It is literally THAT SIMPLE.

God Bless

[iamlamad]

On 6/7/2022 at 12:11 PM, kenny2212 said:

We see the rapture in Rev. 6:12-17. This portion of scripture is cross-referenced in Matt. 24:29-31. 

No. The rapture will take place BETWEEN the 5th seal and the 6th seal. The final church age martyr must come in before the 6th seal can begin the time of judgment. It will be the rapture that ends the church age and causes some martyr to be the final church age martyr ("killed as they were.")

[iamlamad]

On 6/7/2022 at 12:11 PM, kenny2212 said:

...

But it seems the chronology of the ending parts of Rev. 6 and the whole of Rev. 7 is not right. 

The rapture happens in Rev. 6:12-17, the 144,000 israelites are sealed in 7:1-8, and there is the great multitude (who were raptured in Chapter 6) in Rev. 7:9-17.

...

Please don't criticize John's Chronology! It is perfect. The rapture must come BEFORE the 6th seal because the 6th seal starts God's wrath and the Day of His wrath.

Since the 7th seal starts the 70th week of Daniel, John, backed by the Holy Spirit, must "rearrange the set" before the 7th seal can be opened. God must see TWO EVENTS take place before that 7th seal: 1, the 144,000 must be sealed for their protection.

2. The church must be seen safely in heaven before the 7th seal can be opened.

I agree that the great multitude is the just raptured church.

[The Light]

On 6/24/2022 at 11:21 AM, Revelation Man said:

There are no "12 Tribes" across the globe/earth. Jews are kept on earth for the most art because thy repent after the Rapture. The Rapture is Jesus SOUNDING the Trump, just as Rev. 4:1 describes, its his VOICE that calls us home and reverberates as a Trumpet where only we with the Holy Spirit will hear that call. 

Thus Jesus will blow the Trump in the Fall. The Jews and the Church ate not ONE. They each have a different calling.

Yes, there are twelve tribes across the earth. They are the seed of the woman, Israel.

You offer no scriptural proof that the first harvest will be in the fall. You think it will happen on the Feast of Trumpets but that is only an opinion. It is the 12 tribes that will be raptured at the 6th seal, likely on the Feast of Trumpets.

On 6/24/2022 at 11:21 AM, Revelation Man said:

Ignore the POINTS........Which makes me wonder why I have replied to this POINT. Each Feast were a Holy Convocation to a REAL FUTURE EVENT, get it now? I think you got it before, ignoring points that defeat your arguments do not make you win debates brother.

Yes, each feast will result in a future event. The barley harvest, Passover, will be the harvest of the dead in Christ. The wheat harvest, Pentecost, will be the harvest of the Church, and the fall fruit harvest, the Feast of Trumpets, will be the harvest of the seed of the woman, which is the twelve tribes across the earth. Only those that flee in the nation of Israel and the unrighteous will be on earth during the wrath of God, as Gods children are not appointed to wrath. The nation of Israel will be in the place prepared for it during the wrath of God.

On 6/24/2022 at 11:21 AM, Revelation Man said:

So what does THAT ANSWER have to do with my point that Passover was OVER with Jesus Death, he ATONED once and for all for our sins. LIKEWISE (that's a juxtaposition) ALL 7 Feasts were pointing to ACTUAL EVENTS, just like the Passover (Jesus death) the Unleavened Bread (Jesus' life lived without sin) First-fruits (Jesus Resurrection), all FULFILLED. 

And yet no harvest has occurred. So are they really fulfilled? No. There has been no barley harvest, no wheat harvest and no fruit harvest.

On 6/24/2022 at 11:21 AM, Revelation Man said:

Now we are in the Feast of weeks/Pentecost or Summer Harvest, you IGNORING this fact changes nothing brother. And the Feast of Trump comes in the fall, so when is the Harvest ended? In the Fall of course !! Why is that so hard to admit? The Passover was kept at EXACTLY 9:00 AM, the Last Trump will be blown in the fall our our Calendar, just as it was before the Gregorian Calendar as ever created. It is not going to change. 

Sorry, but the wheat harvest relates to Pentecost.

On 6/24/2022 at 11:21 AM, Revelation Man said:

The Harvest is the Church Harvesting souls fir Christ, the dead are Harvested already if they be in Christ. Workers Harvest. The Marriage has not occurred, the Harvest is occurring as we speak, Jesus brings in the FULL HARVEST, at the very end via a supernatural event, this will happen in THE FALL, of course the Harvest lasts all summer, who thinks the Harvest ONLY comes in on the las day of Harvest Season? The facts are this, on the day Harvest ends in Israel, it was mostly ceremonious anyway, the vast majority 99.9 percent had been Harvested, that's why you end the Harvest !! They did leave a certain portion in the fields for the poor to eat, by law from God !! Amen. Look for a 2025 fall Rapture if the Apophis Asteroid is the coming Day of the Lord.

Certainly something to keep an eye on, and yet Noah was in the ark 7 days before the flood for a reason. The 70th week of Daniel needs to fit into the end time timeline.

The 70th week of Daniel has not occurred. Jacob had two brides. He had to work 7 more years for his chosen bride Rachel. There is a reason for this.

On 6/24/2022 at 11:21 AM, Revelation Man said:

We are still in the Summer Harvest, so how is "THE FALL" Harvest over? If anything the Fall Harvest will be the Jews only, the 3-5 million Jews who are Harvested at the Atonement or Feast of Atonement. Bit that is not one of the 7 Feasts, so you conflate the points God has made and try to interject "Lights Point", it doesn't work like that. You never hear anything but what you believe to be true and thus want to hear, thus how is God ever going to change you from any MISCONCEPTION you have? 

Not sure what misconceptions I have as there has been no barley harvest, no wheat harvest and no fruit harvest.

On 6/24/2022 at 11:21 AM, Revelation Man said:

You miss the whole point, that was on the Fulness of the Gentiles or the Mantle changing from Israel, to the Gentiles and LASTLY back to the Gentiles.

I am not understanding how the mantle ends up lastly back to the Gentiles.

The whole plan was for Israel to be the first harvest, but they served other Gods. The Gentiles will now be the first harvest. The seed of the woman, the twelve tribes across the earth will be the second harvest, the fruit harvest. Only the nation of Israel and unbelievers will be on earth during the wrath of God, with the woman in her place of protection.

On 6/24/2022 at 11:21 AM, Revelation Man said:

Israel had a Spring Harvest and a Summer Harvest, I likened that notice THAT not the 7 Feasts, to Israel having a mandate by God given unto them, their Harvest consisted of giving the world the Law of God in writing, and the Biblical texts, and giving the whole world a Human Sacrifice by Birthing Jesus, and finally their last calling was to Birth the Gentile Church. Many souls came unto God via that Harvest, not as many of course, but Abram and Daniel are dead in their Messiah who SAVED them from eternal death, so Israel in JUXTAPOSTION was a type of Spring Harvest. Then the Summer Harvest came, that represents the Time of the Gentiles, and we are Harvesting souls. 

Again. Here is Gods plan. The Jews will not be the first harvest because they served other Gods. The Gentiles will be the first harvest. That's what the Word says.

Hosea 9

10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.

 

On 6/24/2022 at 11:21 AM, Revelation Man said:

We can go further if you wish. When the Time of the Gentiles is come in, then the Trump is blown to end the Summer Harvest.

Exactly. What happens when the twelve tribes see that the Church is raptured?

Jeremiah 8

20 The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved.

It is the Gentiles that are harvested in the early summer harvest.

What does the scripture say? Not what is my opinion. What does the scripture say?

On 6/24/2022 at 11:21 AM, Revelation Man said:

You say the Fruit Harvest is in the Fall, so when Israel ATONES we can I guess say the Mantle has changed again, now Israel is back on the clock. If you want to say its a Fruit Harvest, more power to you, but eve that fits, but Daniel and Abraham were already Harvested by that point. 

Daniel and Abraham will not be raptured until later, I believe.

On 6/24/2022 at 11:21 AM, Revelation Man said:

IMHO, you use anything you ca to try and win a lost debate.

I'm not trying to win a debate. I am trying to present scriptural facts.

On 6/24/2022 at 11:21 AM, Revelation Man said:

You can never beat me in a debate because I follow the facts. Its a lost cause.

Maybe you haven't noticed, but I'm the one that is posting scripture to support what I am saying. The whole point is, I don't make anything up. It says what it says. 

Example. You think that the 144,000 represents 3.5 million or so, give or take, Jews. This is just something that you have concluded with no scriptural support. The scripture says different.

Rev 14

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Rev 7

4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.

7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.

8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

You may think you are winning a debate. The fact is you are losing what the Word of God actually says. I never can understand why so many find it necessary to decide what the Word of God says, when it clearly speaks for itself. You will never truly understand the Word until you accept what is written.

 

On 6/24/2022 at 11:21 AM, Revelation Man said:

 

You will never look at the 7 FEARS REALTIMING, you will try to throw in some red herring. Let me simplify it.

THREE IN THE SPRING (Israel)

One in the Summer (Gentile Church)

THREE IN THE FALL (Israel)

It is literally THAT SIMPLE.

God Bless

Passover and Pentecost are harvest feasts. There has been no harvest. They are unfulfilled, no matter how many preachers declare different.

Edited June 28, 2022 by The Light

[Revelation Man]

8 hours ago, The Light said:

Yes, there are twelve tribes across the earth. They are the seed of the woman, Israel.

There was never any lost tribes, watch this 10 Minute vide from an Archeologist who shows verse by verse why they were never lost, and how when Assyria surrounded Jerusalem, after many peoples fled from the Northern Kingdoms unto Jerusalem like unto a crowded sheepfold (which he shows Isaiah saying they would do this) then as they waited outside, one night the Angel of the Lord came and slew 185,000 Assyrians and King Sennacherib took his troops and went home. 

This guy is fascinating, I found him by watching his discovery of Sodom and Gomorrah, he said he could find no evidence of "Sulfur Balls" he saw in a Museum so he asked a fellow compatriot who told him, you have to go to the Dead Sea to find the evidence, they would have hit and then been extinguished, and he found them, many many, many of them, and you can put a lighter to them and they will burn, these came out of the skies no doubt.

9 hours ago, The Light said:

You offer no scriptural proof that the first harvest will be in the fall. You think it will happen on the Feast of Trumpets but that is only an opinion. It is the 12 tribes that will be raptured at the 6th seal, likely on the Feast of Trumpets.

No one said that, the Summer Harvest is happening NOW, you and I are a part of harvesting souls for God, I said it ENDS IN THE FALL, see how things get conflated? The Feast of Trumps always ends the Harvest AND (important) starts a New Year, thus the time of the Gentiles is full (calling over) and  new beginning starts, Israel's 70t week.

No one will be Raptured at the 6th Seal, once you are in the 70th week, Jesus himself tells us there will be NO RAPTURE, and that everyone must wait until all the brothers are killed in like manner. Jews will REMAIN on this earth to help populate The Kingdom  Age with human beings brother. Why does this not register? Jesus and God are going to allow Jesus rule over mankind for 1000 years in order to convict Satan, else why not place him in hell as soon as the Anti-Christ and False Prophet are placed in hell? The 1000 years of Jesus' rein will be juxtaposed against Satan's 6000 years of murder and mayhem. CASE CLOSED.

The 7 Seals are simply PROSE, about a "BOOK" that is Sealed up, Jesus the opens the 7 Seals and points to what will happen when God's Wrath finally hits at the MIDWAY POINT (1260 Event).

Jesus says when the first 5 Seals are opened (Four Horses AND the 5th Seal) this man Conquers (White Horse) he also brings Wars (Red Horse), his wars and laws bring Famine (Black Horse) and finally his rule brings Sickness/Death/Grave (Pale Green Horse) all over a future 42 month period of time. Then the 5th Seal is his Martyrs of Saints over the same 42 months. He does all this as soon as he is allowed to go forth, when God's Wrath falls via an Asteroid (Rev. 8).

Now, Jesus moves to the soon to come Wrath of God via Seal #6. He foretells of God coming Wrath, how things will go dark (See Trumpet #4) etc. etc. But none of this happens until Seal #7 is taken off, the Judgment Book can not be OPENED until all 7 Seals are off. I thin you understand this but refuse to admit it because it means you have been wrong all of these years, SO WHAT !! I was wrong for over 30 years, who cares? So, why is Seal #7 over in Rev. 8? Because that is when the Wrath of God falls, via the Rev. 8 Asteroid.

9 hours ago, The Light said:

I am not understanding how the mantle ends up lastly back to the Gentiles.

(TYPO) Back to Israel, the Kingdom Age

9 hours ago, The Light said:

Again. Here is Gods plan. The Jews will not be the first harvest because they served other Gods. The Gentiles will be the first harvest. That's what the Word says.

Hosea 9

Not the Jews themselves per se, though some are in the Church Harvest which id the first harvest, but they Harvesting of SOULS for God. Was not Abraham before us? Was not Daniel before us? Of course they were doing the Harvesting of the world before the Church was. The Harvest is also OUR JOBS, its only the end product. I harvest, you harvest, Daniel an Abraham HARVESTED also. This Israel HAVESTED before the Church HARVSTED. Thus they are the Spring Harvest, not the first-fruits per se, all of the Harvests have first fruits. You get too bogged down into minute details tat really mean nothing, there are different wats God uses "harvest" if you do nit take that into account you will get off kilter.

 

[The Light]

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

There was never any lost tribes, watch this 10 Minute vide from an Archeologist who shows verse by verse why they were never lost, and how when Assyria surrounded Jerusalem, after many peoples fled from the Northern Kingdoms unto Jerusalem like unto a crowded sheepfold (which he shows Isaiah saying they would do this) then as they waited outside, one night the Angel of the Lord came and slew 185,000 Assyrians and King Sennacherib took his troops and went home. 

This guy is fascinating, I found him by watching his discovery of Sodom and Gomorrah, he said he could find no evidence of "Sulfur Balls" he saw in a Museum so he asked a fellow compatriot who told him, you have to go to the Dead Sea to find the evidence, they would have hit and then been extinguished, and he found them, many many, many of them, and you can put a lighter to them and they will burn, these came out of the skies no doubt.

Sounds interesting, but I think you forgot the link. Also, I never said that there were lost tribes. I said twelve tribes across the earth.

James 1

1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

 

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

No one said that, the Summer Harvest is happening NOW, you and I are a part of harvesting souls for God, I said it ENDS IN THE FALL, see how things get conflated? The Feast of Trumps always ends the Harvest AND (important) starts a New Year, thus the time of the Gentiles is full (calling over) and  new beginning starts, Israel's 70t week.

The harvest begins with the barley, then the wheat and the harvest is over when the fruit is harvested.

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

No one will be Raptured at the 6th Seal, once you are in the 70th week, Jesus himself tells us there will be NO RAPTURE, and that everyone must wait until all the brothers are killed in like manner.

Yes, there will be more to be killed, but not all will be killed. The days are shortened so that there will be flesh that are saved, via a rapture. 

Matt 24

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

He that endures to the end, the same shall be saved.

Matt 24

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

This does not mean, he that endures to THEIR end, the same shall be saved. It means he that endures until the end, when the days of great tribulation are cut short, the same shall receive their salvation....rapture.

Here are the alive told to look up, their redemption from the earth draw nigh.

Luke 21

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Jews will REMAIN on this earth to help populate The Kingdom  Age with human beings brother. Why does this not register?

It does, but it is the nation of Israel that are on earth, not the seed of the woman that will be regrafted when the fulness of the Gentiles comes in.

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The 7 Seals are simply PROSE, about a "BOOK" that is Sealed up, Jesus the opens the 7 Seals and points to what will happen when God's Wrath finally hits at the MIDWAY POINT (1260 Event).

Jesus says when the first 5 Seals are opened (Four Horses AND the 5th Seal) this man Conquers (White Horse) he also brings Wars (Red Horse), his wars and laws bring Famine (Black Horse) and finally his rule brings Sickness/Death/Grave (Pale Green Horse) all over a future 42 month period of time. Then the 5th Seal is his Martyrs of Saints over the same 42 months. He does all this as soon as he is allowed to go forth, when God's Wrath falls via an Asteroid (Rev. 8).

The seals are the 70th week of Daniel. The four horsemen of the Apocalypse are the beginning of sorrows in Matthew 24. The 5th seal, more brothers to be killed, is the Great Tribulation in Matthew 24. The coming of Jesus at the 6th seal is the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24. Point for point, what Jesus tells you about end times in Matthew 24 is exactly what John tells you in Revelation in the 1st 6 seals.

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Now, Jesus moves to the soon to come Wrath of God via Seal #6. He foretells of God coming Wrath, how things will go dark (See Trumpet #4) etc. etc. But none of this happens until Seal #7 is taken off, the Judgment Book can not be OPENED until all 7 Seals are off. I thin you understand this but refuse to admit it because it means you have been wrong all of these years, SO WHAT !! I was wrong for over 30 years, who cares? So, why is Seal #7 over in Rev. 8? Because that is when the Wrath of God falls, via the Rev. 8 Asteroid.

It's hard for me to understand how you don't see how everything fits perfectly. Jesus and John agree completely. Jesus comes at the 6th seal for the gathering from heaven and earth and then the wrath of God begins when the 1st trumpet sounds. T

The gathering from heaven and earth happens when Jesus returns at the 6th seal. There is a rapture and then the wrath of God begins. Agrees perfectly with what Paul says.

2 Thes 2

Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

There is a gathering BEFORE wrath. This is the second harvest of the fig tree.

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

(TYPO) Back to Israel, the Kingdom Age

Got it. Thanks

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Not the Jews themselves per se, though some are in the Church Harvest which id the first harvest, but they Harvesting of SOULS for God. Was not Abraham before us? Was not Daniel before us? Of course they were doing the Harvesting of the world before the Church was. The Harvest is also OUR JOBS, its only the end product. I harvest, you harvest, Daniel an Abraham HARVESTED also. This Israel HAVESTED before the Church HARVSTED. Thus they are the Spring Harvest, not the first-fruits per se, all of the Harvests have first fruits. You get too bogged down into minute details tat really mean nothing, there are different wats God uses "harvest" if you do nit take that into account you will get off kilter.

The harvest occurs when the dead or the alive are raptured, receive new bodies and are with the Lord.

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

 

 

Edited June 28, 2022 by The Light