Was The Universe Created In The Right Place At The Right Time?

[HAZARD]

 

 

"In the beginning" [literally by periods or ages] God created the heaven, [Hebrew, heavens] and the earth, not 6000years ago God created the Heaven and the earth.
When we speak of the six days and the creation of the present life on Earth, we can speak with Bible authority that it was about 6000 years ago. This can be seen by the lengths of the various dispensations since Adam. In no Scripture are we taught to believe that the heavens and the Earth were originally created during the six days and at the time of Adam about 6000 years ago.

Some use Exodus 20:8-11; 31:17 to try and prove that the heavens and the Earth were created in the six days of Gen. 1:3-2:25, and therefore, that they were created about 6000 years ago. However, nothing is said of the original creation of the heavens and the Earth in these passages.

In these Scriptures the Hebrew word 'ASAH,' meaning to make out of already existing material, is used instead of the word 'BARA,' to create. These verses picture the re-creation work of the six days and not the original creation "In the beginning."

'ASAH' never means to create. It is translated 'MADE,' 659 times; 'MAKE,' 449 times; 'MAKETH,' 59 times and 'MAKEST,' sixteen times; 'MAKER,' thirteen times; 'MAKING,' eleven times; and 'MADEST,' three times.

When God said, "In six days, the Lord 'MADE' heaven and Earth," he had in mind the restoration of the heaven (firmament, or clouds) and the Earth to a habitable state as it was before the destruction of Lucifers kingdom by the flood and Gen. 1:2.We read in John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word and the word was God and the Word was with God." In verse three, 3. "All things were made by Him; and without Him was not anything made that was made."

 

The Word, who became flesh, (John 1:14), is an eternal being, having no beginning and no end. The Bible teaches, He was in the beginning as well as teaching, "In the beginning God created . . . . "

 

God the Father and God the Son have never been sitting in Heaven doing nothing throughout eternity past. They have been working, planning and creating all throughout eternity past, present and on into the future. Jesus Himself said; "John 5:17, Jesus answered them, MY FATHER WORKETH HITHERTO, AND I WORK.

 

The Bible teaches that the world, the universe is thousands of years if not more old, as does archaeological records, geology, geography, geophysics, soil science, oceanography, hydrology, limnology, glaciology, and atmospheric sciences. 

Heaven is a planet Just like the Earth only a better country, as Scripture clearly teaches. . Many Scriptures teach that Heaven is inhabited. (1 Kings 22:19; 2 Chron. 18:18; Matt.18:10; 22:30; 24:36; Rev. 12:12; 13:6).

Armies and hosts of Heaven are mentioned an number of times as seen in these passages and in Dan. 4:35; Luke 2:13; Rev. 19:14.

These inhabitants are listed in part as common angels, archangels, seraphim, cherubim and other spirit beings. Heavenly bodies are mentioned in 1 Cor. 15:48-49.

Rejoicing in Heaven is referred to by the inhabitants in Heaven (Ps. 96:11; 148:1, 4; Isa.44:23; Rev. 12:12). 8. Paul speaks of "the invisible things" in Heaven as being like the visible things on Earth; that is the things in Heaven are just like the things on Earth. (Rom. 1:20).

The word "things" is used in many passages in referring to realities in Heaven. (Phil. 2:10; Col 1:16-20; Heb. 8:12; 9:23). We know from Scripture that in Heaven there are Cities (Rev.21), mansions (John 14:1-3), trees, rivers (Rev.22:1-3), fountains of water (Rev. 7:17), food (Ex.16:4; Ps.78:25: 105:40; John 6:31-51: Luke 22:16, 18, 30; Rev. 2:7, 17: 19:1-10; 22:1-3).

Animals are mentioned as being in Heaven in these following Scriptures; (2 Kings 2:11-12; 6:13-17; Zech. 1:8-11: 6:1-8; Rev. 19:11-14, 21: Rom. 1:20).

All these things are mentioned as being in Heaven, furniture, tongs (Isa.6:6), fire and coals (Isa. 6:6; Rev.8:5) censer and incense (Rev. 8:4-6), smoke (Rev. 8:4; 15:8), musical instruments (Rev. 5:8; 14:1-5; 15:2-4), clothes (Dan. 7:9; Rev. 1:13; 6:9-11), stones (Rev. 2:17), books (Rev. 3:5; 5:1-7; 10:1-11; 20:11-15),

Also mentioned in Scripture are things that are here on Earth such as, vials or bowls, crowns, thunderings, lightnings, clouds, lamps, a sea of glass, singing, worship, palm trees, temples, silence, so there must also be noise at other times, trumpets, hail, mountains, keys and chains, measuring sticks, olive trees, the ark of the testament, doors, posts, girdles, pearls, diamonds and other precious stones, walls, gates, gold in abundance, streets, fruits, banquets, and many other innumerable things.

If the invisible things in the heavenlies are clearly seen by the things on Earth, as Paul taught in Rom. 1:20, then we have a right to believe that there are in Heaven the same kind of things that we have on Earth. We have no right to make an exception of any good thing that God created and intended for man to have before the fall.

The Bible asserts that the stars are innumerable (Genesis 15:5, Genesis 17:7, Hebrews 11:12). This does not necessarily mean that we are incapable of mathematically expressing their number. It means that no human has the ability to count them individually.

It is claimed that there are 100 billion stars in our galaxy alone. If stars were counted around the clock at one star per second, then it would take over 3000 years just to count these. Add to this the fact that there are as many as 100 billion galaxies. However, there were many scholars prior to Galileo who believed that the stars could be counted, and several attempts were made to do so. Many of these counts arrived at around 1000 stars.” 

All of this brings Psalm 8: 3-4 to mind

When I consider Your heavens, the work of Your fingers, the moon and the stars, which You have ordained; What is man that You take thought of him, And the son of man that You care for him? 

Scripture indicates that Gods heaven exists far beyond what we can see in the visible universe. In 2 Cor. 12:2-3,  the apostle Paul refers to “the third heaven" far beyond the first heaven (the immediate Earth's atmosphere) and the second heaven (the realm of the stars). He also speaks of the Lord having “ascended higher than all the heavens,"

Eph. 4:10, He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

From a study of the Scriptures with an open and honest heart, we see that heaven is located in the Northern part in our universe.

When they would offer the sacrifices in the Old Testament they would offer them northward toward the Lord. Notice what Moses said in Leviticus 1:11, "And he shall kill it on the side of the altar northward before the Lord: and the priests, Aaron's sons, shall sprinkle his blood round about upon the altar." The implication is clear that the Lord is in the north. "Northward before the Lord," says God's Word.

North is always the same direction from this planet no matter what time of day. If you were to point to the north in the morning, twelve hours later you would still be pointing in the same direction. No matter where the earth is in its orbit about the sun, north is always the same direction in relationship to the earth. So no matter what time of day or what time of year, north is always the same direction.

The Bible also implies that salvation comes from the north. In Psalms75:6 we read, "For promotion (salvation) cometh neither from the east, nor from the west, nor from the south."

Therefore, we conclude that salvation comes from the north since it is the only choice left. God and heaven must be located in the north of our universe. Does that sound reasonable? Well we can either believe what is written in the Word of God or not believe what is written in the Word of God, or make up your own pet theory as to where God's Heaven is, Its your choice.

 

 

[Omegaman 3.0]

On 6/10/2022 at 3:37 PM, Michael37 said:

Could go anywhere . . . and then there's the question of whether the Universe displaces anything.

I doubt it. I think that time, matter, space and energy, are all created things. The universe is the collection of those things. God dwells is a state outside of those things we know as eternity. If we could look into God's eternal mansion so to speak,  we could go to some spare bedroom, set aside for when one of the housekeepers has an overnight guest, and there is a bathroom there. In the bathroom, is a medicine cabinet. Open that up, on one of the shelves there is what appears to be an empty pill bottle. Open that up, and yep, sure enough it is empty. Why would it be empty, you wonder? Send it out for analysis, and it is discovered, under a scanning electron microscope, that it was not empty at all, the universe was sitting on the bottom of the bottle, it was just too small to see!

[Omegaman 3.0]

17 hours ago, HAZARD said:

Therefore, we conclude that salvation comes from the north since it is the only choice left.

Therefore, "we" conclude nothing of the sort. How big is this list of "we"?

[BeyondET]

On 6/8/2022 at 7:38 PM, Michael37 said:

Any takers?

What else could it be, certainly not the wrong place at the right time or the right place at the wrong time or the wrong place at the wrong time.

[Omegaman 3.0]

Was The Universe Created In The Right Place At The Right Time?

Weird question, I think. My first thought, was sure, of course it was how could, or why would, God do it any other way?

Then I realized the shortsightedness of my thought. Before there was a universe, that existence of ALL "things", there was in it's place (which did not exist yet) "no thing"!

Since there was no thing, (nothing), every non-existent "place was the same. One could put it anywhere and it is all the same, the only place there is, is wherever the universe is placed!

Time is the same. There was no time "before" the creation, time IS a creation. Time is just what happens "when" something created, moves to another created place than where it began existing.

Now, I know that people are free to ponder the relative smells of assorted deodorants, debate whether cat or dogs are superior, discuss if chocolate would have been more awesome if it came in magenta, instead of a color God did not see fit to include in the rainbow, but I have to wonder, is there any benefit to a topic like this, for anyone, Christian or not. Is there some purpose?

[HAZARD]

21 minutes ago, Omegaman 3.0 said:

Therefore, "we" conclude nothing of the sort. How big is this list of "we"?

From a study of the Scriptures with an open and honest heart, we see that heaven is located in the Northern part in our universe.

When they would offer the sacrifices in the Old Testament they would offer them northward toward the Lord. Notice what Moses said in Leviticus 1:11, "And he shall kill it on the side of the altar northward before the Lord: and the priests, Aaron's sons, shall sprinkle his blood round about upon the altar." The implication is clear that the Lord is in the north. "Northward before the Lord," says God's Word.

North is always the same direction from this planet no matter what time of day. If you were to point to the north in the morning, twelve hours later you would still be pointing in the same direction. No matter where the earth is in its orbit about the sun, north is always the same direction in relationship to the earth. So no matter what time of day or what time of year, north is always the same direction.

The Bible also implies that salvation comes from the north. In Psalms75:6 we read, "For promotion (salvation) cometh neither from the east, nor from the west, nor from the south."

Therefore, we conclude that salvation comes from the north since it is the only choice left. God and heaven must be located in the north of our universe. Does that sound reasonable? Well we can either believe what is written in the Word of God or not believe what is written in the Word of God, or make up your own pet theory as to where God's Heaven is, Its your choice.

 

Isaiah 14:13;

"How art thou fallen from Heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which dist weaken the nations! For thou art hast said in thine heart, I WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN, I WILL EXALT MY THRONE above the stars of God: I WILL sit also upon the mount of the congregation, IN THE SIDES OF THE NORTH:  I WILL ascend above the heights of the clouds; I WILL BE like the most High,"

[Omegaman 3.0]

2 minutes ago, HAZARD said:

From a study of the Scriptures with an open and honest heart, we see that heaven is located in the Northern part in our universe.

Funny that looks a lot like something you already said, are you one of those people who seems to think that repeating something makes it more convincing?

[HAZARD]

8 minutes ago, Omegaman 3.0 said:

Funny that looks a lot like something you already said, are you one of those people who seems to think that repeating something makes it more convincing?

No, not at all. I just search out the scriptures that tell us that God's Heaven, where He exists is in the north, or the northern part of our universe, and I believe what the Scriptures say.

I'm curious, where do you think the third Heaven is?

Edited June 12, 2022 by HAZARD

[HAZARD]

This is where God is, the third heaven.   

2Co 12:2 
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. 

[BeyondET]

1 hour ago, HAZARD said:

No, not at all. I just search out the scriptures that tell us that God's Heaven, where He exists is in the north, or the northern part of our universe, and I believe what the Scriptures say.

I'm curious, where do you think the third Heaven is?

Earth is east of the sun and the whole solar system is east of the center of the galaxy they all have a North.