The Fatherhood of God

[JohnD]

The triune nature of the one God is rather easy to understand once you accept it is a fact.

Water is wet.

Fire is hot.

We accept facts all the time and never again stumble over these very rudimentary reasons and rationale. 

God is one.

The Father is God

The Son is God (incarnate; having an additional nature)

The Spirit is God.

All three are the one God.

I have supplied and will supply the biblical proof of these points in other threads. I do not wish to bog this one down in the

inevitable debates / challenges / interpolations. But rather to point out that all three are also Fathers.

Fathers of different things / people.

Father in scripture is an analogy to creator.

The devil is called the father of lies (John 8:44).

The Fatherhood of the Holy Spirit is that he is the Author of scripture (2 Peter 1:21).

The Fatherhood of the one we call God the Father / Heavenly Father / Our Father etc. is solely in his one creation the body / humanity of Jesus

(Hebrews 10:5 / Hebrews 1:5 / John 1:14).

Many (including the framers of the so-called Apostle's Creed)  presume the Heavenly Father is the Creator of the Old Testament when clearly

he is not (John 1:3 / Colossians 1:16 / Isaiah 44:24). Isaiah 44:24 declares the one who created all things created in the beginning did so alone

by himself. So that eliminates the cult's attempt to explain John 1:3 / Colossians 1:16 as Jesus only being a medium through which the Father created all things

and it emphasizes "ONLY begotten of the Father" as the only creation of the Father.

So, Jesus (preincarnate) is the Father of creation.

All three are Creators of different things. All three are Fathers. But we emphasize the Father of the Lord Jesus as THE Father / Ultimate Father since his is the

Master Authority to which all else (including God the Son and God the Holy Spirit) submit.

We are also enabled to be children of THE Father not by birth but by rebirth through faith in his one and only Son Jesus through the adoption of sons (Romans 8:15).

The saying we are all children of God is true in the sense that we are all created by God the Word (Jesus preincarnate). But only Christians (believers in Jesus) are adopted children of

God the Father.

[branchesofHim]

On 6/12/2022 at 7:42 AM, JohnD said:

The triune nature of the one God is rather easy to understand once you accept it is a fact.

Water is wet.

Fire is hot.

We accept facts all the time and never again stumble over these very rudimentary reasons and rationale. 

God is one.

The Father is God

The Son is God (incarnate; having an additional nature)

The Spirit is God.

All three are the one God.

Indeed.  Very profound post. Shalom

1 Corinthians 15:[21] For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
[22] For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
[23] But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
[24] Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
[25] For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
[26] The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
[27] For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
[28] And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

[AdHoc]

On 6/12/2022 at 4:42 PM, JohnD said:

The triune nature of the one God is rather easy to understand once you accept it is a fact.

Water is wet.

Fire is hot.

We accept facts all the time and never again stumble over these very rudimentary reasons and rationale. 

God is one.

The Father is God

The Son is God (incarnate; having an additional nature)

The Spirit is God.

All three are the one God.

I have supplied and will supply the biblical proof of these points in other threads. I do not wish to bog this one down in the

inevitable debates / challenges / interpolations. But rather to point out that all three are also Fathers.

Fathers of different things / people.

Father in scripture is an analogy to creator.

The devil is called the father of lies (John 8:44).

The Fatherhood of the Holy Spirit is that he is the Author of scripture (2 Peter 1:21).

The Fatherhood of the one we call God the Father / Heavenly Father / Our Father etc. is solely in his one creation the body / humanity of Jesus

(Hebrews 10:5 / Hebrews 1:5 / John 1:14).

Many (including the framers of the so-called Apostle's Creed)  presume the Heavenly Father is the Creator of the Old Testament when clearly

he is not (John 1:3 / Colossians 1:16 / Isaiah 44:24). Isaiah 44:24 declares the one who created all things created in the beginning did so alone

by himself. So that eliminates the cult's attempt to explain John 1:3 / Colossians 1:16 as Jesus only being a medium through which the Father created all things

and it emphasizes "ONLY begotten of the Father" as the only creation of the Father.

So, Jesus (preincarnate) is the Father of creation.

All three are Creators of different things. All three are Fathers. But we emphasize the Father of the Lord Jesus as THE Father / Ultimate Father since his is the

Master Authority to which all else (including God the Son and God the Holy Spirit) submit.

We are also enabled to be children of THE Father not by birth but by rebirth through faith in his one and only Son Jesus through the adoption of sons (Romans 8:15).

The saying we are all children of God is true in the sense that we are all created by God the Word (Jesus preincarnate). But only Christians (believers in Jesus) are adopted children of

God the Father.

I like your opening statement. If God has said a matter is so, then it is so. But we accept things like fire and water by first-hand experimental knowledge. Not so the Triune God. The Bible's statements pose problems to the human intellect, but we cannot dismiss the intellect because in nearly all other matter, it is that very gift that leads us to understanding the remaining 99% of the things of God.

2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter (Pr 25:2)

By the laws of logic and by following a matter to its logical end, we arrive at the meaning in almost all things. But in the matter of the Triune God, we are taxed beyond our means. In our experience - an experience that never changes - a father cannot be his son at the same time. Nor can a father be God alone and yet His Son is also God - and God alone. But therein is a comfort. My God is just so big and great and complex. I would have it no other way. I want a God Who is too big for me to understand.

And He, in turn, is pleased when I exercise my FAITH in His revelation, especially when I cannot understand it. Abraham and Sarah must laugh at what they did not understand. But it was so anyway.