The Sign of the Son of Man

[Retrobyter]

On 7/9/2022 at 9:15 AM, Spiros said:

What I find strange:

Matthew 24.30

And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory.

In Greek

και τοτε φανησεται το σημειον του υιου του ανθρωπου εν τω ουρανω και τοτε κοψονται πασαι αι φυλαι της γης και οψονται τον υιον του ανθρωπου ερχομενον επι των νεφελων του ουρανου μετα δυναμεως και δοξης πολλης

 

 

What do we notice:

oψονται (they will see)

κοψονται (will mourn) = κ + oψονται

Shalom, Spiros.

Yes, there's probably some poetical license in the wording, but it's just the same ending to the verb: the future-tense, indicative-mood, middle-voice for the 3rd-person plural. Many words have such endings in the future tense. They are "middle voiced" because they are making themselves see and making themselves mourn.

On 7/9/2022 at 9:15 AM, Spiros said:

We have the addition of the kappa letter in front. The arithmetic value of the kappa letter is 20 which is the isopsephy value of the name of Thiva(ancient Greek Thebes):

ΘΗΒΑ = 9+8+2+1 = 20

But the analytic gematria value of the Hebrew name for the letter yod is 20. So we are led once again to the first letter of the name Iesous(Jesus):

יוֹד =10+6+4=20 ‎

But, here we go again! Why do you keep dipping into gematria? It serves NO PURPOSE and is EASILY misled into error!

On 7/9/2022 at 9:15 AM, Spiros said:

Another thing I find interesting is the root of these words:

Oψονται from όψις: opsis (view)

Κοψονται from κόπτω: kopto (I cut)

 

a view: you take a picture

cut: you crop the picture

 

ΟΨΟΝΤΑΙ(they will see) = ΚΡΥΣΤΑΛΛΟΝ(krustallon: crtystal) = ΔΙΔΥΜΟΙ ΠΥΡΓΟΙ(Didymoi Purgoi: Twin Towers) = 1201

ΚΟΨΟΝΤΑΙ(kopsontai: will mourn) = ΦΑΣΙΣΜΟΣ(Phasismos: Fascism) = 1221 = 1201 + 20

The "Twin Towers?" I'm sorry but that's really reaching ... and missing!

On 7/9/2022 at 9:15 AM, Spiros said:

Opsontai, kopsontai also shows up at Revelation 1.7

 

Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.

 

In Revelation 18.9 kopsontai shows up a third time but without the word opsontai. None the less Apostle John uses a different word to convey the same meaning of seeing, the word βλεπωσιν (vleposin).

 

The kings of the earth who committed fornication and lived luxuriously with her will weep and lament for her, when they see the smoke of her burning

 

 

Regarding the picture with the zeta letter in the clouds, this is the uncropped picture:

 

zeta appearance

What letters were in all the other clouds?

 

 

[Revelation Man]

4 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Revelation Man.

Fooey. Who do you know who came from the tribe of Yissakhar (Issachar)? Who do you know who came from the tribe of R'uwVeen (Reuben)? Even if one DID come from one of these tribes, HE doesn't even know that he did! THERE'S NO RECORD!

That's to what the "lost tribes" refers. That's not fallacy; that's just the way it is!

I know God who stated via Ezekiel that He.........

Ezekiel 37:10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

Who is YOU in verse 12? The WHOLE HOUSE of Israel according to God in verse 11. My calling is End Time Eschatology, others may love it, but may not be called unto it via a ministry. A hand must be a hand not a foot or elbow.

I just defeated your whole argument by using the word of God. Me knowing the genealogy of every Jew is not important, I can read what God says, its elementary stuff my friend, you guys overcomplicate the holy writ of God because you have a preconceived understanding and that "MUST FIT", I am just the opposite, I say to the Lord, show me your truths Lord, I used to do what you and others are doing, I used to get different versions of the bible to prove my understandings (SMILE) also. That's not us brother, Satan is the schemer who always seeks to find a way to twist things like "Thou shalt not surly die", that is not who Christ is, he will say things that hurt our feelings, no doubt, but he never beats around the bush with half truths.

God also says I have saved Myself 7000 that is 7 (Divine Completion) x 10 (Completion) x 10 x 10 = 7000 or it means all of those who repented in the Northern Kingdom and fled to Jerusalem, or all of those who chose not to live in the Northern Kingdom but instead lived in Jerusalem. I gave links two two videos showing there were never any lost tribes by a Christian who searches for antiquities, who knows where Sodom and Gomorra is at, and who found the "sulfur balls" in the Dead Sea who of course did not burn up because they hit water. 

If ONE MAN from each tribe lived in Jerusalem, why is it so hard to understand that each tribes SEED would live on? All of the SEED started from ONE MAN, but instead there were 100s maybe 1000s from each tribe that either lived in the large city of Jerusalem or fled there. One of the videos show how Jerusalem swelled so because of all the Northern Kingdom Refugees that the leader at the time of the siege had to build another Outer Wall to allow them all into the City of Jerusalem just before it was laid seige upon. Then just when it looked like Israel was doomed the Angel of the Lord came in the middle of the night and slew 185,000 Assyrians !! Then King Sennacherib knew he was defeated and went home where he was killed by his two sons. So, it is right their in the bible, as seen in 2 Kings 19:35 and Isaiah 37:36. 

Now go read 2 Chronicles 30 which is after the Assyrians had conquered the Northern Kingdoms, we can see that King Hezekiah was inviting these "Supposedly Lost Tribes" to Jerusalem !! He posted invitations and most laughed at him.

So the posts passed from city to city through the country of Ephraim and Manasseh, even unto Zebulun; but they laughed them to scorn, and mocked them. Nevertheless certain men of Asher and Manasseh and of Zebulun humbled themselves, and came to Jerusalem. (2 Chronicles 30:11–12)

 

For a multitude of the people, even many of Ephraim and Manasseh, Issachar and Zebulun, had not cleansed themselves, yet did they eat the passover otherwise than it is written. For Hezekiah had prayed for them, saying: 'The good LORD pardon ...' (2 Chronicles 30:18)

 

In 2nd Chronicles, Chapter 31, it is said that the remnant of the Kingdom of Israel returned to their homes, but not before destroying Ba'al and Ashera places of Idol worship left in "all Judah and Benjamin, in Ephraim also and Manasseh".

Now when all this was finished, all Israel that were present went out to the cities of Judah, and broke in pieces the pillars, and hewed down the Asherim, and broke down the high places and the altars out of all Judah and Benjamin, in Ephraim also and Manasseh, until they had destroyed them all. Then all the children of Israel returned, every man to his possession, into their own cities. (2 Chronicles 31:1)

 

All we have to do is read the Bible, all of this inf0rmation is in there brother. Yet people read Armstrong and other men and go their own way !! There were NEVER any lost Tribes, that came from men, not from God.

If there are 100 sons and grandsons of "Mr. Smith" and the whole clan/crew/family took a Sea Cruise and the ship sank killing all 99 of them on board, but one young man stayed home and then 15 years later he has kids is Mr. Smiths "SEED" all dead are does he still have a line of descendants? Of course the line of descendants are not broken, the Smith Family lives on, meanwhile you and others are looking at the 99 saying "THEY ARE LOST" if you catch my drift !!

God CAN NOT LIE, He stated in Ezekiel 37:11 that when he brought the children of Israel back into the land He brought the WHOLE HOUSE of Israel. The case is closed brother, there were never any lost tribes. There were PARTS of each Tribe God gave over to a reprobate mind and forsook them, but he saved Himself 7000 or a DIVINE NUMBER that would Complete all of God's Promises to Abraham. Add it all up like I do, using scriptures brother. And by the way, we know they do not know which tribe they are from, only God knows, they were/are all deemed Jews because they live or lived in Judah, that fulfilled the Two Sticks will become ONE STICK Prophecy in Ezekiel 37:15-28. They all lived in Judah and thus all became "Jews" just as Italians living in New York for 100 years become New Yorkers !! But they are still Italians right? 

God says when He brought them back into the land that He brought the WHOLE HOUSE of Israel. That's it brother. God can't lie, what we know or do not know is not relevant unto the facts. I see myself as Sargent Joe Friday "Just the Facts Ma'am".  I try to stay within the guidelines via the facts.

[Retrobyter]

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

I know God who stated via Ezekiel that He.........

Ezekiel 37:10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

Who is YOU in verse 12? The WHOLE HOUSE of Israel according to God in verse 11. My calling is End Time Eschatology, others may love it, but may not be called unto it via a ministry. A hand must be a hand not a foot or elbow.

I just defeated your whole argument by using the word of God. Me knowing the genealogy of every Jew is not important, I can read what God says, its elementary stuff my friend, you guys overcomplicate the holy writ of God because you have a preconceived understanding and that "MUST FIT", I am just the opposite, I say to the Lord, show me your truths Lord, I used to do what you and others are doing, I used to get different versions of the bible to prove my understandings (SMILE) also. That's not us brother, Satan is the schemer who always seeks to find a way to twist things like "Thou shalt not surly die", that is not who Christ is, he will say things that hurt our feelings, no doubt, but he never beats around the bush with half truths.

God also says I have saved Myself 7000 that is 7 (Divine Completion) x 10 (Completion) x 10 x 10 = 7000 or it means all of those who repented in the Northern Kingdom and fled to Jerusalem, or all of those who chose not to live in the Northern Kingdom but instead lived in Jerusalem. I gave links to two videos showing there were never any lost tribes by a Christian who searches for antiquities, who knows where Sodom and Gomorra is at, and who found the "sulfur balls" in the Dead Sea who of course did not burn up because they hit water. 

If ONE MAN from each tribe lived in Jerusalem, why is it so hard to understand that each tribes SEED would live on? All of the SEED started from ONE MAN, but instead there were 100s maybe 1000s from each tribe that either lived in the large city of Jerusalem or fled there. One of the videos show how Jerusalem swelled so because of all the Northern Kingdom Refugees that the leader at the time of the siege had to build another Outer Wall to allow them all into the City of Jerusalem just before it was laid seige upon. Then just when it looked like Israel was doomed the Angel of the Lord came in the middle of the night and slew 185,000 Assyrians !! Then King Sennacherib knew he was defeated and went home where he was killed by his two sons. So, it is right there in the bible, as seen in 2 Kings 19:35 and Isaiah 37:36. 

Now go read 2 Chronicles 30 which is after the Assyrians had conquered the Northern Kingdoms, we can see that King Hezekiah was inviting these "Supposedly Lost Tribes" to Jerusalem !! He posted invitations and most laughed at him.

So the posts passed from city to city through the country of Ephraim and Manasseh, even unto Zebulun; but they laughed them to scorn, and mocked them. Nevertheless certain men of Asher and Manasseh and of Zebulun humbled themselves, and came to Jerusalem. (2 Chronicles 30:11–12)

 

For a multitude of the people, even many of Ephraim and Manasseh, Issachar and Zebulun, had not cleansed themselves, yet did they eat the passover otherwise than it is written. For Hezekiah had prayed for them, saying: 'The good LORD pardon ...' (2 Chronicles 30:18)

 

In 2nd Chronicles, Chapter 31, it is said that the remnant of the Kingdom of Israel returned to their homes, but not before destroying Ba'al and Ashera places of Idol worship left in "all Judah and Benjamin, in Ephraim also and Manasseh".

Now when all this was finished, all Israel that were present went out to the cities of Judah, and broke in pieces the pillars, and hewed down the Asherim, and broke down the high places and the altars out of all Judah and Benjamin, in Ephraim also and Manasseh, until they had destroyed them all. Then all the children of Israel returned, every man to his possession, into their own cities. (2 Chronicles 31:1)

 

All we have to do is read the Bible, all of this inf0rmation is in there brother. Yet people read Armstrong and other men and go their own way !! There were NEVER any lost Tribes, that came from men, not from God.

If there are 100 sons and grandsons of "Mr. Smith" and the whole clan/crew/family took a Sea Cruise and the ship sank killing all 99 of them on board, but one young man stayed home and then 15 years later he has kids is Mr. Smiths "SEED" all dead or does he still have a line of descendants? Of course the line of descendants are not broken, the Smith Family lives on, meanwhile you and others are looking at the 99 saying "THEY ARE LOST" if you catch my drift !!

God CAN NOT LIE, He stated in Ezekiel 37:11 that when he brought the children of Israel back into the land He brought the WHOLE HOUSE of Israel. The case is closed brother, there were never any lost tribes. There were PARTS of each Tribe God gave over to a reprobate mind and forsook them, but he saved Himself 7000 or a DIVINE NUMBER that would Complete all of God's Promises to Abraham. Add it all up like I do, using scriptures brother. And by the way, we know they do not know which tribe they are from, only God knows, they were/are all deemed Jews because they live or lived in Judah, that fulfilled the Two Sticks will become ONE STICK Prophecy in Ezekiel 37:15-28. They all lived in Judah and thus all became "Jews" just as Italians living in New York for 100 years become New Yorkers !! But they are still Italians right? 

God says when He brought them back into the land that He brought the WHOLE HOUSE of Israel. That's it brother. God can't lie, what we know or do not know is not relevant unto the facts. I see myself as Sergeant Joe Friday "Just the Facts Ma'am".  I try to stay within the guidelines via the facts.

 

You're just trying to get out of the corner into which you painted yourself. 2 Chronicles 30 was back in the days of Ychizkiyaahuw ("Hezekiah"), who was a good king, attempting to re-kindle the love for YHWH God and His holy days, before Yhudah went into captivity to Babylon. This was an open invitation to the tribes of the north to come to Yerushalayim ("Jerusalem") for the feast of Pesach (the Passover).

Most mocked the messengers, but a few came to the celebration.

Ychezk'eel ("Ezekiel") in Ezekiel 37 is proclaiming God's prophecy about the RESURRECTION of the WHOLE HOUSE OF ISRAEL! He's not talking about "bringing them back into the Land" UNTIL they have been RESURRECTED!

And, the Two Sticks becoming One is a portion of the Ezekiel 37 prophecy! They become one nation AFTER they've been resurrected and brought back into the Land!

For you or ANYONE to say that these words are "figurative" of the Jews coming back into the Land before the Messiah returns is a LIE! More importantly, it's calling GOD a LIAR! Let's just quote HIS words and HIS conclusion to this prophecy!

Ezekiel 37:12-14 (KJV)

12 "Therefore prophesy and say unto them,

"'Thus saith the Lord GOD;

"'"Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. 13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, 14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it," 

saith the LORD.'"

And, just as a reminder, when the words "GOD" or "LORD" are put in all caps, it is God's NAME, the tetragrammaton, YHWH!

[JoeCanada]

7 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

You're just trying to get out of the corner into which you painted yourself. 2 Chronicles 30 was back in the days of Ychizkiyaahuw ("Hezekiah"), who was a good king, attempting to re-kindle the love for YHWH God and His holy days, before Yhudah went into captivity to Babylon. This was an open invitation to the tribes of the north to come to Yerushalayim ("Jerusalem") for the feast of Pesach (the Passover).

Most mocked the messengers, but a few came to the celebration.

Ychezk'eel ("Ezekiel") in Ezekiel 37 is proclaiming God's prophecy about the RESURRECTION of the WHOLE HOUSE OF ISRAEL! He's not talking about "bringing them back into the Land" UNTIL they have been RESURRECTED!

And, the Two Sticks becoming One is a portion of the Ezekiel 37 prophecy! They become one nation AFTER they've been resurrected and brought back into the Land!

For you or ANYONE to say that these words are "figurative" of the Jews coming back into the Land before the Messiah returns is a LIE! More importantly, it's calling GOD a LIAR! Let's just quote HIS words and HIS conclusion to this prophecy!

Ezekiel 37:12-14 (KJV)

12 "Therefore prophesy and say unto them,

"'Thus saith the Lord GOD;

"'"Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. 13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, 14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it," 

saith the LORD.'"

And, just as a reminder, when the words "GOD" or "LORD" are put in all caps, it is God's NAME, the tetragrammaton, YHWH!

Ya.... it's pretty clear Roy.

God hasn't yet opened the graves and resurrected "His people", with the exception of a few when the tombs were opened at the resurrection of Jesus. 

Good stuff.

[Revelation Man]

14 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

You're just trying to get out of the corner into which you painted yourself.

Brother I destroy your "factoids" with every post. There were never any lost tribes, or either God is a liar. Case closed.

 

14 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

And, the Two Sticks becoming One is a portion of the Ezekiel 37 prophecy! They become one nation AFTER they've been resurrected and brought back into the Land!

 

How do you guys get everything wrong on Prophecy? My guess is it is not your calling brother. 

Edited July 12, 2022 by Revelation Man

[Retrobyter]

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Brother In destroy your "factoids" with every post. There were never any lost tribes, or either God is a liar. Case closed.

Shalom, Revelation Man.

You're right that they were never "lost" to God, but they ARE INDEED lost to themselves and to other people! It's not that they are "lost" among men; it's just that they don't KNOW WHO THEY ARE, ANYMORE! THEY DON'T HAVE ANY RECORD OF THEIR HERITAGE!

My grandmother on my mom's side SWORE that her mother's mother was a Jew! But, we don't have any record to that effect! If it was true, then I could apply for citizenship in Israel based on that alone! And, that's in the KNOWN tribe of Yhudah or "Judah!"

The southern kingdom of Yhudah had among them some from the tribe of Bin-Yamiyn ("Benjamin"), who inherited land in the south, and from the tribe of Leviy ("Levi") who didn't own land because YHWH God was their inheritance. When the Kingdom of David and Shlomoh ("Solomon") split, the Leviy'iym ("Levites") were SPLIT, as well! Half (or a little more than half) went with Efrayim and the northern tribes, and the rest went with Yhudah and the tribes who sided with them. The northern tribes, under the leadership of YaaraaV`aam haMelekh ("Jereboam the King"), who was worried that Leviy would pull them back together to worship YHWH God in Yerushalayim ("Jerusalem"), resurrected the folly of Aahaarown ("Aaron") and erected golden calves at each end of the northern kingdom, and said, "THIS is your God!" He led them into idolatry to avoid a return to the Temple in Yhudah. ALL of the kings of the north were those who "did this evil in God's sight!" The Leviy'iym were split again! Half were loyal to YHWH God, but the rest became priests for these false gods!

So, when Tiglat-Pil'ecer melekh Ashshuwr ("Tiglath-Pileser king of Assyria") came in the days of Peqach ("Pekah") and Howsheea` ("Hoshea"), the last kings of the northern kingdom, he took many away captive and put transplants from other areas into the Land, instead. These transplants, of course, intermarried with the tribes of the northern kingdom and became the Shomrowniym ("Samaritans"), and those removed became ....? These are the ones who became "lost" in their heritage, and THEY did NOT come back with Yhudah in the return from captivity to Babylon and Persia!

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

How do you guys get everything wrong on Prophecy? My guess is it is not your calling brother. 

OR, you are STUCK in some useless, out-dated prophecy philosophy of which you are reluctant to re-investigate!

I should have mentioned, too, that it will be the MESSIAH HIMSELF who re-unites the tribes of Israel into one Nation, one Kingdom! That's NOT wrong, brother!

Edited July 12, 2022 by Retrobyter
To add one last answer

[Revelation Man]

On 7/12/2022 at 5:28 AM, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Revelation Man.

You're right that they were never "lost" to God, but they ARE INDEED lost to themselves and to other people!

Not so, they are NOW in Israel, when they were carried off by Rome all 12 Tribes were there but called Jews because they lived in Judea, many at that time probably knew what Tribe they were from, but now most just consider themselves Jews (from Judea) but they are ALL Israel. You can't be lost when God says He has them all accounted for. What people want to do therefore is push ad eschatology around that Israel are really the USA & England etc. when it is just a Satanic disinformation campaign of "Confusion" designed to confuse the masses whilst he laughs.

On 7/12/2022 at 5:28 AM, Retrobyter said:

It's not that they are "lost" among men; it's just that they don't KNOW WHO THEY ARE, ANYMORE! THEY DON'T HAVE ANY RECORD OF THEIR HERITAGE!

It is not imperative that they knw which tribe they were from, they were from Abrahams loins, tats all that matters, thus they are Israel, and yes, they know their heritage via their names and their circumcision traditions. You and many others think that they don't understand, many others think they are not really Israel, those kind of people are kind of anti Semitic in a way tbh. God stated when he brought them into Israel they will indeed be the Whole House of Israel, case closed on my part, God is capable of doing what He says He will do, I do not question His will nor His prophetic utterances.

On 7/12/2022 at 5:28 AM, Retrobyter said:

My grandmother on my mom's side SWORE that her mother's mother was a Jew! But, we don't have any record to that effect! If it was true, then I could apply for citizenship in Israel based on that alone! And, that's in the KNOWN tribe of Yhudah or "Judah!"

What you do not get s this all doesn't matter what WE KNOW or what we DON'T KNOW, God stated that when He brought them back it would indeed be the WHOLE HOUSE of Israel, so who cares? There are no Lost Tribes, that's the whole point, and never were, even in 70 AD every Tribe had people living in Judea !! Satan used Armstrong and others to confuse the masses.

As long as Jewish fathers had children the seed carried on.

On 7/12/2022 at 5:28 AM, Retrobyter said:

OR, you are STUCK in some useless, out-dated prophecy philosophy of which you are reluctant to re-investigate!

I should have mentioned, too, that it will be the MESSIAH HIMSELF who re-unites the tribes of Israel into one Nation, one Kingdom! That's NOT wrong, brother!

No, that happened long ago, all 12 Tribes lived in Judea, all 12 Tribes were in Babylon, all 12 tribes lived when Jesus was alive. Jesus died for their sins and 1/3 will repent, of every tribe, not just Judah. God can not lie, every tribe was BROUGHT BACK because the Jews who were toted off were EVERY TRIBE. 

God Bless.

Edited July 14, 2022 by Revelation Man

[Retrobyter]

5 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Not so, they are NOW in Israel, when they were carried off by Rome all 12 Tribes were there but called Jews because they lived in Judea, many at that time probably knew what Tribe they were from, but now most just consider themselves Jews (from Judea) but they are ALL Israel. You can't be lost when God says He has them all accounted for. What people want to do therefore is push an eschatology around that Israel are really the USA & England etc. when it is just a Saran (Saran wrap or Satan or Satanic?) disinformation campaign of "Confusion" designed to confuse the asses whilst he laughs.

Shalom, Revelation Man.

While there are those who feel that British Israelism is a solution, it is not necessarily true, because even they can't truly prove that they have found the tribes that were missing. But, you are wrong to think that "all 12 Tribes were there" "carried off by Rome." Sorry, but history does NOT bear that out!

To the contrary, we have prophecies that say that God will bring back His people into the Land when the Messiah has come.

Isaiah 49:1-26 (KJV)

1 Listen, O isles (coastlands), unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. 2 And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me; 3 And said unto me,

"Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified."

4 Then I said,

"I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with the LORD, and my work with my God."

5 "And now," saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, "Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength."

6 And he said,

"It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation (Y'shuw'aatiy) unto the end of the earth."

7 Thus saith the LORD, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers,

"Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship,"

because of the LORD that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee.

8 Thus saith the LORD,

"In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation (deliverance; rescue) have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages; 9 That thou mayest say to the prisoners, 'Go forth!'; to them that are in darkness, 'Shew yourselves!' 

"They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places. 10 They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them.

11 "And I will make all my mountains a way, and my highways shall be exalted. 12 Behold, these shall come from far: and, lo, these from the north and from the west; and these from the land of Sinim (Sinai in the south)."

13 Sing, O heavens; and be joyful, O earth; and break forth into singing, O mountains: for the LORD hath comforted his people, and will have mercy upon his afflicted!

14 But Zion said,

"The LORD hath forsaken me, and my Lord hath forgotten me."

15 "Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee. 16 Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me. 17 Thy children shall make haste; thy destroyers and they that made thee waste shall go forth of thee.

18 "Lift up thine eyes round about, and behold: all these gather themselves together, and come to thee. As I live," saith the LORD, "thou shalt surely clothe thee with them all, as with an ornament, and bind them on thee, as a bride doeth. 19 For thy waste and thy desolate places, and the land of thy destruction, shall even now be too narrow by reason of the inhabitants, and they that swallowed thee up shall be far away. 20 The children which thou shalt have, after thou hast lost the other, shall say again in thine ears, 'The place is too strait for me: give place to me that I may dwell.'

21 "Then shalt thou say in thine heart, 'Who hath begotten me these, seeing I have lost my children, and am desolate, a captive, and removing to and fro? and who hath brought up these? Behold, I was left alone; these, where had they been?'"

22 Thus saith the Lord GOD,

"Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders. 23 And kings shall be thy nursing fathers, and their queens thy nursing mothers: they shall bow down to thee with their face toward the earth, and lick up the dust of thy feet; and thou shalt know that I am the LORD: for they shall not be ashamed that wait for me."

24 Shall the prey be taken from the mighty, or the lawful captive delivered?

25 But thus saith the LORD,

"Even the captives of the mighty shall be taken away, and the prey of the terrible shall be delivered: for I will contend with him that contendeth with thee, and I will save thy children. 26 And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and all flesh shall know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob."

Isaiah 51:1-23 (KJV)

1 "Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged. 2 Look unto Abraham your father, and unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him. 3 For the LORD shall comfort Zion: he will comfort all her waste places; and he will make her wilderness like Eden, and her desert like the garden of the LORD; joy and gladness shall be found therein, thanksgiving, and the voice of melody."

4 "Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people. 5 My righteousness is near; my salvation (yish`iy; deliverance; rescue) is gone forth, and mine arms shall judge the people; the isles shall wait upon me, and on mine arm shall they trust.

6 "Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation (Viyshuw`aatiy; my deliverance; my rescue) shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished.

7 "Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my law; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings.

8For the moth shall eat them up like a garment, and the worm shall eat them like wool: but my righteousness shall be for ever, and my salvation from generation to generation.

9 Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD; awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut Rahab, and wounded the dragon?

10 Art thou not it which hath dried the sea, the waters of the great deep; that hath made the depths of the sea a way for the ransomed to pass over?"

11 "Therefore the redeemed of the LORD shall return, and come with singing unto Zion; and everlasting joy shall be upon their head: they shall obtain gladness and joy; and sorrow and mourning shall flee away. 12 I, even I, am he that comforteth you: who art thou, that thou shouldest be afraid of a man that shall die, and of the son of man which shall be made as grass; 13 And forgettest the LORD thy maker, that hath stretched forth the heavens, and laid the foundations of the earth; and hast feared continually every day because of the fury of the oppressor, as if he were ready to destroy? and where is the fury of the oppressor?

14 "The captive exile hasteneth that he may be loosed, and that he should not die in the pit, nor that his bread should fail. 15 But I am the LORD thy God, that divided the sea, whose waves roared: The LORD of hosts is his name. 16 And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, 'Thou art my people.' "

17 Awake, awake, stand up, O Jerusalem, which hast drunk at the hand of the LORD the cup of his fury; thou hast drunken the dregs of the cup of trembling, and wrung them out. 18 There is none to guide her among all the sons whom she hath brought forth; neither is there any that taketh her by the hand of all the sons that she hath brought up. 19 These two things are come unto thee; who shall be sorry for thee? desolation, and destruction, and the famine, and the sword: by whom shall I comfort thee? 20 Thy sons have fainted, they lie at the head of all the streets, as a wild bull in a net: they are full of the fury of the LORD, the rebuke of thy God.

21 Therefore hear now this, thou afflicted, and drunken, but not with wine: 22 Thus saith thy Lord the LORD, and thy God that pleadeth the cause of his people,

"Behold, I have taken out of thine hand the cup of trembling, even the dregs of the cup of my fury; thou shalt no more drink it again: 23 But I will put it into the hand of them that afflict thee; which have said to thy soul, 'Bow down, that we may go over': and thou hast laid thy body as the ground, and as the street, to them that went over."

Isaiah 54:1-17 (KJV)

1 "Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife," saith the LORD.

2 "Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: spare not, lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes; 3 For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited."

4 "Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more. 5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. 6 For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused," saith thy God.

7 "For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee. 8 In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee," saith the LORD thy Redeemer.

9 "For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee. 10 For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed; but my kindness shall not depart from thee, neither shall the covenant of my peace be removed," saith the LORD that hath mercy on thee.

11 "O thou afflicted, tossed with tempest, and not comforted, behold, I will lay thy stones with fair colours, and lay thy foundations with sapphires. 12 And I will make thy windows of agates, and thy gates of carbuncles, and all thy borders of pleasant stones. 13 And all thy children shall be taught of the LORD; and great shall be the peace of thy children. 14 In righteousness shalt thou be established: thou shalt be far from oppression; for thou shalt not fear: and from terror; for it shall not come near thee.

15 "Behold, they shall surely gather together, but not by me: whosoever shall gather together against thee shall fall for thy sake. 16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy. 17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me," saith the LORD.

These are just a few of the prophecies!

5 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

It is not imperative that they know which tribe they were from, they were from Abrahams loins, tats all that matters, thus they are Israel, and yes, they know their heritage via their names and their circumcision traditions. You and many others think that they don't understand, many others think they are not really Israel, those kind of people are kind of anti Semitic in a way tbh. God stated when he brought them into Israel they will indeed be the Whole House of Israel, case closed on my part, God is capable of doing what He says He will do, I do not question His will nor His prophetic utterances.

What you do not get is this all doesn't matter what WE KNOW or what we DON'T KNOW, God stated that when He brought them back it would indeed be the WHOLE HOUSE of Israel, so who cares? There are no Lost Tribes, that's the whole point, and never were, even in 70 AD every Tribe had people living in Judea !! Satan used Armstrong and others to confuse the masses.

As long as Jewish fathers had children the seed carried on.

No, that happened long ago, all 12 Tribes lived in Judea, all 12 Tribes were in Babylon, all 12 tribes lived when Jesus was alive. Jesus died for their sins and 1/3 will repent, of every tribe, not just Judah. God can not lie, every tribe was BROUGHT BACK because the Jews who were toted off were EVERY TRIBE. 

God Bless.

Sorry, bro', but it DOES matter! They will come back into the Land by the thousands! They will be brought back from a whistle of the LORD, and the Land will be divided up among them by lot! 

Zechariah 10:1-12 (KJV)

1 Ask ye of the LORD rain in the time of the latter rain; so the LORD shall make bright clouds, and give them showers of rain, to every one grass in the field. 2 For the idols have spoken vanity, and the diviners have seen a lie, and have told false dreams; they comfort in vain: therefore they went their way as a flock, they were troubled, because there was no shepherd.

3 "Mine anger was kindled against the shepherds, and I punished the goats: for the LORD of hosts hath visited his flock the house of Judah, and hath made them as his goodly horse in the battle. 4 Out of him came forth the corner, out of him the nail, out of him the battle bow, out of him every oppressor together. 5 And they shall be as mighty men, which tread down their enemies in the mire of the streets in the battle: and they shall fight, because the LORD is with them, and the riders on horses shall be confounded.

6 "And I will strengthen the house of Judah, and I will save the house of Joseph, and I will bring them again to place them; for I have mercy upon them: and they shall be as though I had not cast them off: for I am the LORD their God, and will hear them. 7 And they of Ephraim shall be like a mighty man, and their heart shall rejoice as through wine: yea, their children shall see it, and be glad; their heart shall rejoice in the LORD.

8 "I will hiss (whistle) for them, and gather them; for I have redeemed them: and they shall increase as they have increased. 9 And I will sow them among the people: and they shall remember me in far countries; and they shall live with their children, and turn again. 10 I will bring them again also out of the land of Egypt, and gather them out of Assyria; and I will bring them into the land of Gilead and Lebanon; and place (room) shall not be found for them.

11 "And he shall pass through the sea with affliction, and shall smite the waves in the sea, and all the deeps of the river shall dry up: and the pride of Assyria shall be brought down, and the sceptre of Egypt shall depart away. 12 And I will strengthen them in the LORD; and they shall walk up and down in his name," saith the LORD.

Ezekiel 47:13-23 (KJV)

13 Thus saith the Lord GOD (Adonay YHWH);

"This shall be the border, whereby ye shall inherit the land according to the twelve tribes of Israel: Joseph shall have two portions (Efrayim and Manasheh). 14 And ye shall inherit it, one as well as another: concerning the which I lifted up mine hand to give it unto your fathers: and this land shall fall unto you for inheritance.

15 And this shall be the border of the land toward the north side, from the great sea (Mediterranean Sea), the way of Hethlon, as men go to Zedad; 16 Hamath, Berothah, Sibraim, which is between the border of Damascus and the border of Hamath; Hazarhatticon, which is by the coast of Hauran. 17 And the border from the sea shall be Hazarenan, the border of Damascus, and the north northward, and the border of Hamath. And this is the north side.

18 And the east side ye shall measure from Hauran, and from Damascus, and from Gilead, and from the land of Israel by Jordan, from the border unto the east sea (the Dead Sea). And this is the east side.

19 And the south side southward, from Tamar even to the waters of strife in Kadesh, the river to the great sea. And this is the south side southward.

20 The west side also shall be the great sea (the Mediterranean Sea) from the border, till a man come over against Hamath. This is the west side.

21 So shall ye divide this land unto you according to the tribes of Israel. 22 And it shall come to pass, that ye shall divide it by lot for an inheritance unto you, and to the strangers that sojourn among you, which shall beget children among you: and they shall be unto you as born in the country among the children of Israel; they shall have inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel. 23And it shall come to pass, that in what tribe the stranger sojourneth, there shall ye give him his inheritance," saith the Lord GOD (Adonay YHWH).

Read the rest of Ezekiel to see how the Land is divided! So, YES! The tribes of Israel DO matter a great deal!

[Revelation Man]

14 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Revelation Man.

While there are those who feel that British Israelism is a solution, it is not necessarily true, because even they can't truly prove that they have found the tribes that were missing

Never missing, God said so long ago, He stated He had saved Himself 7000 men. Which means Divine Completion. And sonce later on we see God promises He will bring back (1948) the Whole House of Israel AND that all 12 Tribes would be present during the 70th week. This is what I am talking about via Line upon line, precept upon precept, we have to use ALL of the scriptures to make our calculations on scriptures so to speak, we need to use all of the scriptures in order to add up the sum of all the parts. People do nit understand how to interpret Prophecy.

For instance, there is a reason I know where the Anti-Christ is born without guessing. Sure, he has Assyrian blood but he is not from Syria, Iraq or Turkey per se UNLESS the other prophesies also FIT !! In Dan. 7:7-8 we are told the Little Horn must ARISE out of the old Fourth Beasts 10 Horns which arise out of the Fourth Beast (Europe). The LASTLY and most importantly we can see in Dan. 8:9 via a Simple Four Way Directional Box that this Anti-Christ must be born in Greece, because in this Interkingdom battle, he conquers TOWARDS the East, TOWARDS the South and TOWARDS Israel. Thus he has to conquer from the Northwest Corridor which can only be Greece. Now we can also add in Dan. 11 and understand why such a DETAILED ACCOUNT of all of the Greek Kings were laid out unto us by God. 

So, he's Assyrian by blood, or in other words he's a Turk, whose family migrated to Greece in the last 100 to 200 years because they have a common border. He is then born in Greece like Antiochus Epiphanes, and he is thus Eligible to become the European Union President. People have to ADD IT ALL UP, do not jump to illogical conclusions via "THE ASSYRIAN" etc. etc. 

14 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

But, you are wrong to think that "all 12 Tribes were there" "carried off by Rome." Sorry, but history does NOT bear that out!

Of course it does unless God is a liar. You are looking at the people toted away, not the others from those tribes living in Jerusalem or the ones who escaped to Jerusalem, where God ten protected them by killing 185,000 Assyrian Army Warriors. ANY Historian can tell you this, yet you have latched on to Satan's lie, he loves sending out half truths. (It was Satanic, and MASSES.........Above)

15 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

To the contrary, we have prophecies that say that God will bring back His people into the Land when the Messiah has come.

 

That's just you misunderstanding those passages. 

15 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

These are just a few of the prophecies!

On 7/12/2022 at 1:09 PM, Revelation Man said:

I did not read them because I know your interpretation its not factually on point on this. God stated he brought back the WHOLE HOUSE of Israel, and we see Israel repent during the 70th week, BEFORE Jesus' Second Coming in Zechariah 13:8-9.

15 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Sorry, bro', but it DOES matter! They will come back into the Land by the thousands! They will be brought back from a whistle of the LORD, and the Land will be divided up among them by lot! 

 

No it doesn't, they have already been brought back, the lot was England and the USA and others helping them get their land back via God's Divine Guidance. Do you not understand that? 

[JoeCanada]

9 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

On 7/13/2022 at 6:08 AM, Retrobyter said:

Sorry, bro', but it DOES matter! They will come back into the Land by the thousands! They will be brought back from a whistle of the LORD, and the Land will be divided up among them by lot! 

 

Rev man replied:........ No it doesn't, they have already been brought back, the lot was England and the USA and others helping them get their land back via God's Divine Guidance. Do you not understand that? 

They have only a portion of the land that God promised to Abraham. A small potion at that. 

And what land they do have will again be divided in the name of 'peace'.

God's promise to Abraham was for all the land from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates.

"And they will say 'the Lord is my God'.....Zech 13:9

This won't happen until the land and the peoples are restored..... after their Messiah returns.