America in need of a revival?

[DaniJ87]

I want to thank those chinese Christians- whoever's been praying for persecution. I have been reading the "Jesus Freaks" books, and I get VOM newsletters.... What we REALLY need is the persecution. We have everything too easy, as someone already said, and also we DO need some real consequences! someone who's a Christian in this "accept everybody" environment we have, merely has to confront the acceptance of some ungodly things- we don't have to hardly stand up for ourselves, because we are considered to be some of the people that "need to be accepted, and tolerated". Tolerance is running rampant, and it is saddening how much of it is even happening in Christian churches.

Well, I have to go home now- I am at college.... so,

Lehitra'ot!

~Danette

[Guest RJD Servant]

Hi

I loved that book you about China and the Spirit of the living God. I cried through the whole book because this is what I was raised on and I have for the passed 32 years watched the so called "church" die with no one desiring to change the way we are headed.

I believe God will send judgement upon our country first in the form of catastraphy of natural disasters Hurricanes, Tornadoes, earthquakes, volcanoes. Then if the heart of the people do not turn to the Living God he will send war upon our Proud nation.

When the Bubbles pop upon our sloppy fleshly lifesyle, we will have to cry out to the savior for deliverance, forgiveness and turn to him with our whole heart.

But we are too full and satisfied with our so called church and religion and patterns

our so called prosparity etc... & sins.

God will do what ever it takes to turn our face towards him and if it be war or trials or tribulations like china then bring it on.

Because we are in a laodician state and dead to the Spirit that is to be with in our church our hearts and life.

I have been saved since 5 years old and it is a continuious working everyday. I was filled with the Holy Spirit since the age of 8 and would not trade the Living God and his Power in any way or shape or form for the pleasures of this world or the so called church.

I lived where the Church of China is and have see the death of it also I pray God does something to open up the Building of the Last church upon the face of the church that we would do greater works then the Lord Jesus did here upon the earth.

There will be a body of Christ and a Church but nothing by the Fleshly standard of man.

God Bless you and keep you searching for the deeper things of God.

RJD Servant

[Salt]

Keep the replies coming . Although maybe I should have been more specific... I am really interested in hearing what people think has or is hindering the Holy Spirit from entering the church in America.

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▪ Sin. Churches have evaded the main message of sin and its consequences.

▪ Failure to 'come to Jesus' and want Him.

▪ Aberrant revivals have replace the Davidic nature of Jesus.

▪ Contemporary worship bands have replaced the reverent worship that used organ\pipe organ and piano in churches. Belongs in youth ministry.

▪ Failure to understand, love, and support God's plan for Israel.

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[yomotalking]

I think every country is in need of a revival.

[Salt]

Keep the replies coming . Although maybe I should have been more specific... I am really interested in hearing what people think has or is hindering the Holy Spirit from entering the church in America.

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▪ Sin. Churches have evaded the main message of sin and its consequences.

▪ Failure to 'come to Jesus' and want Him.

▪ Counterfeit revivals have replace the Davidic nature of God.

▪ Contemporary worship bands have replaced the reverent worship that used organ\pipe organ and piano in churches.

▪ Failure to understand, love, and support God's plan for Israel.

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This is so true. Music in church has changed so much lately, even in "conservative" churches, they tend to play more "fast paced" music, and try to mimmick what the world is doing in music. You can play the same song to two different syles of music, and on one the Holy Spirit will work, but on the other he wants no part. Why? Because there is a certain type of music that in and of itself honors God, due to melody and harmony, and there are certain types of music, that regardless of the lyrics, do not honor God. I've often been hindered in worship services by the music itself, even if the song was one of my favorite hymns/ praise songs, because something just-wasn't-right about the music...

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I love the old music.

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[Salt]

Anyone who is familair with the revival and underground church in China can attest to the strong differences (relatively speaking) to that of the American church.

After reading the book "The Heavenly Man" I was both inspired and shocked by how rampant the Holy Spirit roams across China. In my own opinion, China's underground church is the closest church aligned to the early church shortly after Christ's death.

Recently, a predominant leader of China's underground church came to America and toured around the churches. Afterwards he was asked what he thought of the church in America and he said "Its amazing what the American church has accomplished without the Holy Spirit."

Many American church leaders see this and have gone to revivialistic areas of the world with hopes of "bringing back" revivial to America. However I believe such revival precipitates indigenously. There is something about American culture/views/values that inhibits the full potential of the church.

What are your opinions on the church in America?

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Have you read 'Like a Mighty Wind' by Mel Tari? (1971) It tells about a genuine revival in Indonesia with 'tongues of fire' just like on the day of Pentecost. The fire department came when they saw the church engulfed with fire, but it wasn't burning up. It was the fire of God that came with the Holy Ghost. God gave them "all the gifts of the Holy Spirit as well as power and love and order".

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