CDC USA no longer force quarantine

[Sparks]

1 hour ago, one.opinion said:

I'd be happy to walk through that evidence with you.

If you mean take the Snopes misinformation, and walk me through it, no thanks.  I noticed they were using 2018 data in one case. 

[one.opinion]

33 minutes ago, Sparks said:

If you mean take the Snopes misinformation, and walk me through it, no thanks.  I noticed they were using 2018 data in one case. 

I do not know what you are talking about. You said there was evidence, and even mentioned a couple of journals, and I offered to look at it with you. Let’s dig into that primary literature! It’ll be fun.

[Sparks]

1 minute ago, one.opinion said:

I do not know what you are talking about. You said there was evidence, and even mentioned a couple of journals, and I offered to look at it with you. Let’s dig into that primary literature! It’ll be fun.

Look here:

Innate immune suppression by SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccinations: The role of G-quadruplexes, exosomes, and MicroRNAs

Risk of infection, hospitalisation, and death up to 9 months after a second dose of COVID-19 vaccine: a retrospective, total population cohort study in Sweden

 

[one.opinion]

1 hour ago, Sparks said:

Look here:

Innate immune suppression by SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccinations: The role of G-quadruplexes, exosomes, and MicroRNAs

This is a lengthy pre-print review. There is a lot here and I will look at it, but it is not primary literature.

1 hour ago, Sparks said:

 

Risk of infection, hospitalisation, and death up to 9 months after a second dose of COVID-19 vaccine: a retrospective, total population cohort study in Sweden

 

This is not new or surprising, but exactly what I’ve been saying for months. Protection from infection wanes, but protection from severe outcomes is much more persistent. Here is a quote from the article you are using as evidence to support your point:

“With respect to severe COVID-19 outcomes such as hospitalisation or death, follow-ups of clinical trials showed that after 4 months the efficacy of BNT162b2 was about 84%¹⁵ and the efficacy of mRNA-1273 was about 92%”

[Sparks]

4 hours ago, one.opinion said:

This is a lengthy pre-print review. There is a lot here and I will look at it, but it is not primary literature.

I don't think you will look it over later.  Here is what you missed:

In this paper, we present evidence that vaccination induces a profound impairment in type I interferon signaling, which has diverse adverse consequences to human health.

We also identify potential profound disturbances in regulatory control of protein synthesis and cancer surveillance. These disturbances potentially have a causal link to neurodegenerative disease, myocarditis, immune thrombocytopenia, Bell's palsy, liver disease, impaired adaptive immunity, impaired DNA damage response and tumorigenesis.

This suppression will have a wide range of consequences, not the least of which include the reactivation of latent viral infections and the reduced ability to effectively combat future infections.

Now you are caught up.  The vaccines impair your immune system.

5 hours ago, one.opinion said:

This is a lengthy pre-print review. There is a lot here and I will look at it, but it is not primary literature.

This is not new or surprising, but exactly what I’ve been saying for months. Protection from infection wanes, but protection from severe outcomes is much more persistent. Here is a quote from the article you are using as evidence to support your point:

“With respect to severe COVID-19 outcomes such as hospitalisation or death, follow-ups of clinical trials showed that after 4 months the efficacy of BNT162b2 was about 84%¹⁵ and the efficacy of mRNA-1273 was about 92%”

Based on this study in the Lancet, Kenji Yamamoto wrote:

Recently, The Lancet published a study on the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines and the waning of immunity with time. The study showed that immune function among vaccinated individuals 8 months after the administration of two doses of COVID-19 vaccine was lower than that among the unvaccinated individuals.

Adverse effects of COVID-19 vaccines and measures to prevent them 

[one.opinion]

4 hours ago, Sparks said:

I don't think you will look it over later.

What you think is quite frequently separated from reality, so that doesn’t bother me.

4 hours ago, Sparks said:

Now you are caught up.  The vaccines impair your immune system.

The review article makes claims that may or may not be supported by the primary research. It will take investigating to see if their claims are valid.

4 hours ago, Sparks said:

4 hours ago, Sparks said:

Based on this study in the Lancet, Kenji Yamamoto wrote:

Recently, The Lancet published a study on the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines and the waning of immunity with time. The study showed that immune function among vaccinated individuals 8 months after the administration of two doses of COVID-19 vaccine was lower than that among the unvaccinated individuals.

I didn’t find anything supporting that conclusion from the Lancet article. Could you go into that article and show me what I missed? All I see is data in tens of thousands of individuals that demonstrates COVID vaccine efficacy, even with some waning.

[Sparks]

1 hour ago, one.opinion said:

What you think is quite frequently separated from reality, so that doesn’t bother me.

It's an observation I have made when you think an article is not good enough because it is too new, or too lengthy, but I suspect its that the article is dead on, and you really don't want to take it on. 

1 hour ago, one.opinion said:

The review article makes claims that may or may not be supported by the primary research. It will take investigating to see if their claims are valid.

It was the summary of the paper. 

1 hour ago, one.opinion said:

I didn’t find anything supporting that conclusion from the Lancet article. Could you go into that article and show me what I missed? All I see is data in tens of thousands of individuals that demonstrates COVID vaccine efficacy, even with some waning.

Did you read the link I pasted for you that was written up by Kenji Yamamoto?  It was a letter he wrote to the journal of virology concerning the Lancet paper.  It's countering the Lancet, you know, a peer review.

[one.opinion]

5 minutes ago, Sparks said:

It's an observation I have made

Your observation is incorrect. I read these things over time, and I suspect in much more detail than you do. I consistently point out why conclusions are flawed, it just takes time to go through that much information.

7 minutes ago, Sparks said:

It was the summary of the paper.

It certainly wasn’t the summary of the authors.

8 minutes ago, Sparks said:

Did you read the link I pasted for you that was written up by Kenji Yamamoto?

I read the quote from Yamamoto and I don’t think it is accurate based on the paper he refers to.

Do you want to check the Lancet article and then see what supports Yamamoto’s argument?

[Sparks]

27 minutes ago, one.opinion said:

Your observation is incorrect. I read these things over time, and I suspect in much more detail than you do. I consistently point out why conclusions are flawed, it just takes time to go through that much information.

If you say so.  Time will tell.  I look forward to your research. 

27 minutes ago, one.opinion said:

It certainly wasn’t the summary of the authors.

It was as summary from the authors own paper.

27 minutes ago, one.opinion said:

I read the quote from Yamamoto and I don’t think it is accurate based on the paper he refers to.

Try reading the link.  It was a letter to the Journal of Virology countering the Lancet claims.  You know, a peer review.

[one.opinion]

4 hours ago, Sparks said:

It was as summary from the authors own paper.

The authors of the Lancet paper never claimed that COVID vaccines suppressed overall immunity. They showed that vaccine effectiveness decreases over time with respect to SARS-CoV-2 infection. This is not a novel finding.

Recently, The Lancet published a study on the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines and the waning of immunity with time. The study showed that immune function among vaccinated individuals 8 months after the administration of two doses of COVID-19 vaccine was lower than that among the unvaccinated individuals.

Unless he is talking about a different Lancet paper, this is just plain false. Go look at the Lancet paper you linked since it is rather clear you have not done so already. While it does indicate waning protection from infection and severe disease over time, there is nothing in the article indicating that immune function was lower among vaccinated individuals that unvaccinated individuals.

I should probably also point out that the article clearly shows that the vaccines are effective at reducing the risk of severe disease - something you unceasingly deny.