Rejection

[Starise]

18 minutes ago, MissTury said:

I would just add, that rejection is one thing, and persecution is something very different. Persecution is of course a kind of rejection, but not all rejection seems like persecution. The cost is higher for one than for the other, but devout Christians should be [in my opinion] willing to endure both. Unlike Jehovah's Witnesses, who have told me that having the door closed in there face is persecution, I think persecution tends to be physically dangerous, at least it sure looks that way to me in the new Testament.

Thanks for clarifying this. As DPMartin pointed out, there are times when rejection is ok. I guess I was referring to rejection mostly as a result of our beliefs although I shaded it with some of my experience with those who are supposed to be believers. I might have colored too far beyond those lines. Thanks.

[missmuffet]

3 minutes ago, Starise said:

And this is very important I think. To constantly remember where our real value lies.

Absolutely.

[DPMartin]

2 hours ago, Starise said:

Oh I knew this one was coming. A suck it up and stop feeling sorry for yourself response.

There is such a thing as mutual respect. Please tell me you've heard of it?

Of course on the surface no one is REQUIRED to do anything. I am not required to answer your post or attempt a decent answer.I am not REQUIRED to even consider your opinion. 

As believers ( if you are one) we are supposed to love others as God tells us to love one another.We are even to love our enemies.

My OP was a request as to the ways believers see people exercise their right to be rude and generally reject people because they don't like them or something they say.IOW how have others here been subjected to disprespect, slight and general rude behavior as a result of their beliefs? 

My expectation is not that everyone will be nice. I have lived long enough to know better than that. That is sometimes comes from the Christian community is not a good thing IMO. 

To be fair I have plenty of friends who are believers and the good ones far outweigh those who I sometimes wonder about.

Oh...and I don't like you 

your response has proved my point of what seems to be your expectation from others.

[missmuffet]

5 hours ago, DPMartin said:

Is there some law that requires people to respond to you in some kind of positive manor? Are you entitled an expected response because you were a nice guy? And “entitled an opinion” only means the people agree using law of the land to express that agreement that one shouldn’t go to jail for saying what they want to say. But that doesn’t mean anyone is required to care about or respect your opinion, or that you even have one.  People can like you or dislike you for any reason they want. even God favors some over others for His reasons.

During chairman moa’s reign you were not allowed by law, that was strictly enforced, to express an opinion, especially if it was on religion, unless it was in agreement with his. You’re not entitled, its only agreed that the members of the group or nation can or can’t do. The only thing entitled in God’s creation is the fulfillment of God’s Word.

 

when Jesus walked with the Jews, He was entitled worship. what was it that you might think you might be entitled?

And what makes you entitled to a rude response? I don't think Jesus would be pleased with that. 

[Starise]

1 hour ago, DPMartin said:

your response has proved my point of what seems to be your expectation from others.

No my response was in response to your response. We reap what we sow.

[Michael37]

6 hours ago, DPMartin said:

Is there some law that requires people to respond to you in some kind of positive manor?

"To The Positive Manor Born", a play by DPMartin.

6 hours ago, DPMartin said:

During chairman moa’s reign

News Headline: Giant New Zealand moa bird thought to be long extinct may have been Chinese communist revolutionary and founder of People's Republic Of China.  

Just messin' @DPMartin No rejection intended.

[JohnR7]

12 hours ago, Starise said:

I don't want to be seen as trouble.

The only way to do that is let the baby Christian be babies and don't try to get them to grow up. 

 

12 hours ago, Starise said:

we recently had a sermon at my church about complaining.

I remember a story in the Bible where the people grumbled and complained, the earth split open as swallowed them alive. I have seen earthquakes like that on the news and people are trying to claw at the ground to rescue and save their loved ones. 

The main point with God is at all times we have to give Him praise, honor and glory.  From a human perspective, that seems Egotistical. But God just wants what is best for us. 

[DPMartin]

16 hours ago, Michael37 said:

"To The Positive Manor Born", a play by DPMartin.

News Headline: Giant New Zealand moa bird thought to be long extinct may have been Chinese communist revolutionary and founder of People's Republic Of China.  

 

Just messin' @DPMartin No rejection intended.

you really do have issues, don't you?

[Starise]

14 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

The only way to do that is let the baby Christian be babies and don't try to get them to grow up. 

 

I remember a story in the Bible where the people grumbled and complained, the earth split open as swallowed them alive. I have seen earthquakes like that on the news and people are trying to claw at the ground to rescue and save their loved ones. 

The main point with God is at all times we have to give Him praise, honor and glory.  From a human perspective, that seems Egotistical. But God just wants what is best for us. 

I probably should not be concerned about being seen as trouble. Sensitivity to others is one way I think we show the second command, but I tend to return what is sent to me sometimes. Michael had a good point- We aren't fighting people we are fighting principalities and powers who tend to get people caught up in things.

There are  'thinkers' and 'feelers' with everything in between as a description of their personality. Not sure if you've ever known any accountants, scientists or engineers. Those are generally examples of a personalities with a heavy emphasis on thinking over feeling. I have seen the accountant I know tear up and cry, so I know they have feelings too, they are just buried deeper than some and can be harder to get at. Thinkers don't usually consider feelings as seriously because they don't see how they could solve problems and feelers sometimes avoid the facts. Since relationships are based on much more than facts thinkers often miss out. Relationships are built on love, trust, consideration, caring, mutual interest and goals if such relationships are genuine. Only a narcissist will enter a relationship telling lies to get only what they want out of it and they really could care less about anyone else. Can a believer be a narcissist? I believe we can have narcissistic traits if we live in the flesh. 

There should be a wide gulf between what believers value compared to others. If we don't care, we really should because we are called to care. Because the bible says to love one another, does this only apply to believers? Some might think so. Love should be a natural response to a lost sinful world instead of, " Go to h*** suckers". And when we talk among one another what should the standard be there?  I don't believe that one needs explaining.

There are many forms of persecution. Western persecution has been very dainty in comparison to persecution elsewhere in the world. 

Matt 5:11-13

11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

As you can see, a lot of this is verbal in nature and could potentially fall into many categories.

Edited September 14, 2022 by Starise

[JohnR7]

3 hours ago, Starise said:

Not sure if you've ever known any accountants, scientists or engineers. Those are generally examples of a personalities with a heavy emphasis on thinking over feeling.

My father and both my brothers are doctors and my sons are both engineers. Doctors have to detach themselves to get their job done. My dad could be a pretty solid stolic. 

 

3 hours ago, Starise said:

If we don't care, we really should because we are called to care.

Yes, we have to care and have compassion, but I do not see how grief does any good. I tend to avoid going there. Of course, there are stages people go through in dealing with things. 

I tried to deal with this subject in a thread that got deleted because people were getting so upset. In order to move into the future, we have to deal with the past. We have to resolve all the injustice. I think that passes from one generation to the next. Anyone that has been divorced and remarried knows about the baggage they take from the past into the future. 

If we are going to enter into the 1000-year reign of Christ, then there is a massive transition that is going to have to take place.  I am not sure how that is going to take place but I have been told all my life that there will be a time of tribulation.