Witnessing to Jewish people

[JohnD]

3 hours ago, Slibhin said:

He also said one cannot be punished for the sins if another. How is Jesus dying on our behalf not a contradiction of Hashem's own words on the subject?
 

And the blood of bulls and goats and birds...? They can cleanse human sin?

If you say they are of no account then isn't that contrary to Torah?

And how has anyone been able to keep Torah all these centuries?

The ultimate Lamb of G-d came to pay the sin debt for humanity once for all (Yishayahu 52:13 - 53:12)

[JohnD]

3 hours ago, Slibhin said:

The Messiah will bring peace with G-d, but must also bring world peace.

He did. World peace with G-d.

7 "For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.		זבְּרֶ֥גַע קָטֹ֖ן עֲזַבְתִּ֑יךְ וּבְרַֽחֲמִ֥ים גְּדֹלִ֖ים אֲקַבְּצֵֽךְ:
8 With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord.		חבְּשֶׁ֣צֶף קֶ֗צֶף הִסְתַּ֨רְתִּי פָנַ֥י רֶ֙גַע֙ מִמֵּ֔ךְ וּבְחֶ֥סֶד עוֹלָ֖ם רִֽחַמְתִּ֑יךְ אָמַ֥ר גֹּֽאֲלֵ֖ךְ יְהֹוָֽה:
9 "For this is to Me [as] the waters of Noah, as I swore that the waters of Noah shall never again pass over the earth, so have I sworn neither to be wroth with you nor to rebuke you.		טכִּי־מֵ֥י נֹ֙חַ֙ זֹ֣את לִ֔י אֲשֶׁ֣ר נִשְׁבַּ֗עְתִּי מֵֽעֲבֹ֥ר מֵי־נֹ֛חַ ע֖וֹד עַל־הָאָ֑רֶץ כֵּ֥ן נִשְׁבַּ֛עְתִּי מִקְּצֹ֥ף עָלַ֖יִךְ וּמִגְּעָר־בָּֽךְ:
10 For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.		יכִּ֚י הֶֽהָרִים֙ יָמ֔וּשׁוּ וְהַגְּבָע֖וֹת תְּמוּטֶ֑ינָה וְחַסְדִּ֞י מֵאִתֵּ֣ךְ לֹֽא־יָמ֗וּשׁ וּבְרִ֚ית שְׁלוֹמִי֙ לֹ֣א תָמ֔וּט אָמַ֥ר מְרַֽחֲמֵ֖ךְ יְהֹוָֽה:

[JohnD]

3 hours ago, Slibhin said:

I have told you, repeatedly, I will never accept G-d has changed his covenant or altered the Torah by a single letter.

Again, HaShem said Yirimyahu 31:

31 Not like the covenant that I formed with their forefathers on the day I took them by the hand to take them out of the land of Egypt, that they broke My covenant, although I was a lord over them, says the Lord.

לאלֹ֣א כַבְּרִ֗ית אֲשֶׁ֚ר כָּרַ֙תִּי֙ אֶת־אֲבוֹתָ֔ם בְּיוֹם֙ הֶֽחֱזִיקִ֣י בְיָדָ֔ם לְהֽוֹצִיאָ֖ם מֵאֶ֖רֶץ מִצְרָ֑יִם אֲשֶׁר־הֵ֜מָּה הֵפֵ֣רוּ אֶת־בְּרִיתִ֗י וְאָֽנֹכִ֛י בָּעַ֥לְתִּי בָ֖ם נְאֻם־יְהֹוָֽה

[JohnD]

3 hours ago, Slibhin said:

 Hashem is eternal and unchanging, (his own words), and he said his covenant is forever. To say otherwise makes my G-d into a liar.

HaShem in his nature and his being is unchanging. But he can change his mind:

7 And the Lord said to Moses: "Go, descend, for your people that you have brought up from the land of Egypt have acted corruptly.		זוַיְדַבֵּ֥ר יְהֹוָ֖ה אֶל־משֶׁ֑ה לֶךְ־רֵ֕ד כִּ֚י שִׁחֵ֣ת עַמְּךָ֔ אֲשֶׁ֥ר הֶֽעֱלֵ֖יתָ מֵאֶ֥רֶץ מִצְרָֽיִם:
8 They have quickly turned away from the path that I have commanded them; they have made themselves a molten calf! And they have prostrated themselves before it, slaughtered sacrifices to it, and said: 'These are your gods, O Israel, who have brought you up from the land of Egypt.' "		חסָ֣רוּ מַהֵ֗ר מִן־הַדֶּ֨רֶךְ֙ אֲשֶׁ֣ר צִוִּיתִ֔ם עָשׂ֣וּ לָהֶ֔ם עֵ֖גֶל מַסֵּכָ֑ה וַיִּשְׁתַּֽחֲווּ־לוֹ֙ וַיִּזְבְּחוּ־ל֔וֹ וַיֹּ֣אמְר֔וּ אֵ֤לֶּה אֱלֹהֶ֨יךָ֙ יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל אֲשֶׁ֥ר הֶֽעֱל֖וּךָ מֵאֶ֥רֶץ מִצְרָֽיִם:
9 And the Lord said to Moses: "I have seen this people and behold! they are a stiff necked people.		טוַיֹּ֥אמֶר יְהֹוָ֖ה אֶל־משֶׁ֑ה רָאִ֨יתִי֙ אֶת־הָעָ֣ם הַזֶּ֔ה וְהִנֵּ֥ה עַם־קְשֵׁה־עֹ֖רֶף הֽוּא:
10 Now leave Me alone, and My anger will be kindled against them so that I will annihilate them, and I will make you into a great nation."		יוְעַתָּה֙ הַנִּ֣יחָה לִּ֔י וְיִֽחַר־אַפִּ֥י בָהֶ֖ם וַֽאֲכַלֵּ֑ם וְאֶֽעֱשֶׂ֥ה אֽוֹתְךָ֖ לְג֥וֹי גָּדֽוֹל:
11 Moses pleaded before the Lord, his God, and said: "Why, O Lord, should Your anger be kindled against Your people whom You have brought up from the land of Egypt with great power and with a strong hand?		יאוַיְחַ֣ל משֶׁ֔ה אֶת־פְּנֵ֖י יְהֹוָ֣ה אֱלֹהָ֑יו וַיֹּ֗אמֶר לָמָ֤ה יְהֹוָה֙ יֶֽחֱרֶ֤ה אַפְּךָ֙ בְּעַמֶּ֔ךָ אֲשֶׁ֤ר הוֹצֵ֨אתָ֙ מֵאֶ֣רֶץ מִצְרַ֔יִם בְּכֹ֥חַ גָּד֖וֹל וּבְיָ֥ד חֲזָקָֽה:
12 Why should the Egyptians say: 'He brought them out with evil [intent] to kill them in the mountains and to annihilate them from upon the face of the earth'? Retreat from the heat of Your anger and reconsider the evil [intended] for Your people.		יבלָ֩מָּה֩ יֹֽאמְר֨וּ מִצְרַ֜יִם לֵאמֹ֗ר בְּרָעָ֤ה הֽוֹצִיאָם֙ לַֽהֲרֹ֤ג אֹתָם֙ בֶּֽהָרִ֔ים וּלְכַ֨לֹּתָ֔ם מֵעַ֖ל פְּנֵ֣י הָֽאֲדָמָ֑ה שׁ֚וּב מֵֽחֲר֣וֹן אַפֶּ֔ךָ וְהִנָּחֵ֥ם עַל־הָֽרָעָ֖ה לְעַמֶּֽךָ:
13 Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, Your servants, to whom You swore by Your very Self, and to whom You said: 'I will multiply your seed like the stars of the heavens, and all this land which I said that I would give to your seed, they shall keep it as their possession forever.' "		יגזְכֹ֡ר לְאַבְרָהָם֩ לְיִצְחָ֨ק וּלְיִשְׂרָאֵ֜ל עֲבָדֶ֗יךָ אֲשֶׁ֨ר נִשְׁבַּ֣עְתָּ לָהֶם֘ בָּךְ֒ וַתְּדַבֵּ֣ר אֲלֵהֶ֔ם אַרְבֶּה֙ אֶת־זַרְעֲכֶ֔ם כְּכֽוֹכְבֵ֖י הַשָּׁמָ֑יִם וְכָל־הָאָ֨רֶץ הַזֹּ֜את אֲשֶׁ֣ר אָמַ֗רְתִּי אֶתֵּן֙ לְזַרְעֲכֶ֔ם וְנָֽחֲל֖וּ לְעֹלָֽם:
14 The Lord [then] reconsidered the evil He had said He would do to His people.		ידוַיִּנָּ֖חֶם יְהֹוָ֑ה עַל־הָ֣רָעָ֔ה אֲשֶׁ֥ר דִּבֶּ֖ר לַֽעֲשׂ֥וֹת לְעַמּֽוֹ:

[JohnD]

BTW that verse about HaShem not changing is:

Malachi 3:

6 For I, the Lord, have not changed; and you, the sons of Jacob, have not reached the end.

וכִּ֛י אֲנִ֥י יְהֹוָ֖ה לֹ֣א שָׁנִ֑יתִי וְאַתֶּ֥ם בְּנֵֽי־יַֽעֲקֹ֖ב לֹ֥א כְלִיתֶֽם:

[JohnR7]

23 hours ago, NCAP said:

3. The Jews don't speak to the dead.

What is dead and what is alive. Jesus said: "the stones will cry out!” (Luke 19:40) The stones of the wall will cry out, and the beams of the woodwork will echo it. (Habakkuk 2:11) Dead things rot and decay and rapidly become useless. 

The "Jews" believe everyone is redeemed within a year of death. They believe in a life after death - the immortality of the soul and the physical resurrection of the body at a time in the future. 

We are told:  "Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists," (Leviticus 19:10) Christians and the Chabad try to explain that. Although, I question how successful they are in their attempt. 

[JohnR7]

23 hours ago, NCAP said:

I never said that he wasn't. But from a Jewish perspective:

1. He is not the Messiah

2. He is dead.

3. The Jews don't speak to the dead.

A lot of "Jewish" people believe, they just are not willing to come out of the closet. So they speak about Jesus in a code. Or they claim Jesus was following the teachings of Hillel the Elder when he taught:  the expression of the ethic of reciprocity, or "Golden Rule": "That which is hateful to you, do not do unto your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is commentary; now go and learn."[5]

Buddhists do the same thing. Buddhism: “Whatever is disagreeable to yourself, do not do unto others” (The Buddha, Udana-Varga 5.18 – 6th century BC).

They try to show His teaching was long-established. Of course, Jesus did add to what we receive from Moses. 

 

[JohnR7]

8 hours ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

I believe God has given me his love in my heart

God loves them through you. Because of worship, praise and adoration God is able to use you as a vessel to express His love for people. 

[JohnD]

17 hours ago, Slibhin said:

@JohnD Let's just consider ourselves at an impasse, and accept that we probably just worship different deities.

Mmm okay... but they come from your same Bible.

[JohnD]

4 hours ago, Slibhin said:

So you say. But your G-d is so utterly inconsistent with Hashem I have to wonder if you're just borrowing some of the names.

Actually one and the same G-d. Just more to him than you will even consider.

Every one of your challenges were answered in the Tanakh.

Every one.