Christ will appear a second time !!!

[Franky67]

This is found in Hebrews 9:28

"So Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, shall appear a second time for salvation, without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him."

Sounds like He is coming to receive us to Himself.

He's already dealt with our sins on the cross.

When He comes in Revelation 19, verse 11, He comes to Judge the nations and wage war, so that's not the same coming as described in Hebrews.

Question is , when do these two comings (one is a coming, and one is an appearing ) take place ? If the catching up is at the end of tribulation, the two comings are at the same time.

Opinions ??

Edited September 30, 2005 by Franky67

[Dad Ernie]

Question is , when do these two comings  (one is a coming, and one is an appearing ) take place ? If the catching up is at the end of tribulation, the two comings are at the same time.

I agree that you should not make much of the two words coming and appearing. At the beginning of the 1,000 year reign we see that the Lord comes to give rewards to His saints.

Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

The church, as you have said has already been judged, for judgment begins at the household of faith. And as soon as all the saints are off this planet, looking down from the clouds, we shall see God's wrath poured out upon the nations.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[Trust & Obey]

Franky, Christ will come again for His Church... His Bride... you and I.

Then, after 7 years in heaven we will return with Him at the end of the GT.

The Rapture is what is next on the prophetic calendar and it is not the same as the 2nd Coming. At the Rapture Christ will only be coming for those who are His. It is not the same as the one where "every eye will see Him," which is the 2nd Coming at the end of the GT.

[CarolineS]

Franky, Christ will come again for His Church... His Bride... you and I.

Then, after 7 years in heaven we will return with Him at the end of the GT.

The Rapture is what is next on the prophetic calendar and it is not the same as the 2nd Coming. At the Rapture Christ will only be coming for those who are His. It is not the same as the one where "every eye will see Him," which is the 2nd Coming at the end of the GT.

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Please show scripture that states there is a seven yr. period of time the saints will be in heaven.

CarolineS

[Franky67]

This is found in Hebrews 9:28

"So Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, shall appear a second for salvation, without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him."

Sounds like He is coming to receive us to Himself.

He's already dealt with our sins on the cross.

When He comes in Revelation 19, verse 11, He comes to Judge the nations and wage war, so that's not the same coming as described in Hebrews.

Question is , when do these two comings

[Franky67]

Franky, Christ will come again for His Church... His Bride... you and I.

Then, after 7 years in heaven we will return with Him at the end of the GT.

The Rapture is what is next on the prophetic calendar and it is not the same as the 2nd Coming. At the Rapture Christ will only be coming for those who are His. It is not the same as the one where "every eye will see Him," which is the 2nd Coming at the end of the GT.

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Amen, and Amen

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[Guest Zayit]

This is found in Hebrews 9:28

"So Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, shall appear a second for salvation, without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him."

Sounds like He is coming to receive us to Himself.

He's already dealt with our sins on the cross.

When He comes in Revelation 19, verse 11, He comes to Judge the nations and wage war, so that's not the same coming as described in Hebrews.

Question is , when do these two comings  (one is a coming, and one is an appearing ) take place ? If the catching up is at the end of tribulation, the two comings are at the same time.

Opinions  ??

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Umm, My Bible says:

"So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many: and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time with out sin unto salvation."

Your version:

"So Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, shall appear a second for salvation, without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him."

Does your version really say "appear a second for salvation"?

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It seems to me by a brief glance this is saying that when he returned for those who truly belong to him ( those that loved his appearing) it will be for the reality of their salvation. I don't believe our salvation is a reality until then. Reality= fullfilled.

[Franky67]

This is found in Hebrews 9:28

"So Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, shall appear a second for salvation, without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him."

Sounds like He is coming to receive us to Himself.

He's already dealt with our sins on the cross.

When He comes in Revelation 19, verse 11, He comes to Judge the nations and wage war, so that's not the same coming as described in Hebrews.

Question is , when do these two comings

[eric]

Yeah, well I will remain along with the same reasoning as DadE.

Godwill not pour out His wrath until all the saints are home and that wont be till after the great tribulation. The bible references have already been made.

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[ruah brit]

This is found in Hebrews 9:28

"So Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, shall appear a second time for salvation, without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him."

Sounds like He is coming to receive us to Himself.

He's already dealt with our sins on the cross.

When He comes in Revelation 19, verse 11, He comes to Judge the nations and wage war, so that's not the same coming as described in Hebrews.

Question is , when do these two comings  (one is a coming, and one is an appearing ) take place ? If the catching up is at the end of tribulation, the two comings are at the same time.

Opinions  ??

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Hebrews 9

28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

Revelation 19

11 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war.

1 Thessalonians 4

16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.

Co 15

52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Jude 1

14 Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, "Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints,

15 to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him."

Mt 24

30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Re 1

7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.

Mt 24

27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

All of these scriptures are the same event.

Denise