Living Forever?

[TrueFollowerOfChrist]

On 10/6/2022 at 7:05 AM, kenny2212 said:

I'm positive it has been entrenched in Christian doctrine that all human spirits live forever. However, I do not agree. 

Genesis 3:22 (NKJV) - 

Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”.

In the above verse God is saying if mankind eats of the tree of life, mankind would live forever. Basically mankind would be indestructible.

To have an all-encompassing knowledge of the word "Indestructible", we need to understand it's root word "destroy". 

Google definition of the word "destroy" - 

transitive verb. 1 : to ruin the structure, ORGANIC EXISTENCE, or condition of...

 The words "organic existence" are the words I want us to take note of. Meaning of the individual words "organic" and "existence" are -

1. Organic - of, relating to, or derived from LIVING organisms. 

Take note of word "living". Of course we should all know "living" is derived from the word "life".

And

2. Existence - sentient or living being : LIFE

So basically "to destroy" is to "ruin life". So "Indestructible" is "unruinable life". 

Matthew 10:28 (NKJV) - 

And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

The Lord Jesus is the one talking here. Now we know the unresurrected body cannot go to the present hell, only the soul can. But the resurrected body and soul can go to the future hell (satan, the antichrist and the false prophet are cast there) - the lake of fire.

Rev. 20:15 (NKJV) -  

And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

Rev. 21:8 (NKJV) - 

 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the SECOND DEATH.”

Death means death. Utter DESTRUCTION. 

Angel spirits are immortal but unrecreated humans (bodies with unrecreated spirits) are not.

Colossians 1:18 (NKJV) - 

And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, THE FIRSTBORN FROM THE DEAD, that in all things He may have the preeminence.

Only recreated humans (bodies with recreated spirits) are immortal.

Thank you for reading.

Any questions or comments?

 

 

There is no verse that teaches annihilationism, despite many believing in it.  There are many passages that teach the eternal destiny of the saved and lost.  Daniel 12:2 says the destiny of the lost will last as long as those who are saved. Revelation 20:10 says those thrown into the lake of fire will be tormented forever.

[Jedi4Yahweh]

23 minutes ago, Riverwalker said:

The smoke of their torment is forever but no where will you find the phrase or idea of eternal torment

The punishment....the second death is eternal

I am sure you don't want to believe, nor does anyone, especially if your headed that direction, but that does not change that truth of God's word.  We can not just alter his word to say something else because we don't agree with it.

Eternal punishment where their is weeping, gnashing of teeth, torment, and no rest does not sound like a place of instant annihilation.

[missmuffet]

3 hours ago, Riverwalker said:

It is what the bible says

Matthew 10:28

And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Mattew 10:28 does not support annihilation. You are ignoring the many other verses that support hell and the eternal punishment in hell for some reason. 

[Riverwalker]

On 10/10/2022 at 2:15 PM, Jedi4Yahweh said:

I am sure you don't want to believe, nor does anyone, especially if your headed that direction, but that does not change that truth of God's word.  We can not just alter his word to say something else because we don't agree with it.

Eternal punishment where their is weeping, gnashing of teeth, torment, and no rest does not sound like a place of instant annihilation.

Scripture please

I know for certain that in the great weeping scripture eternity or eternal is not mentioned

Edited October 12, 2022 by Riverwalker

[Riverwalker]

20 hours ago, missmuffet said:

Mattew 10:28 does not support annihilation. You are ignoring the many other verses that support hell and the eternal punishment in hell for some reason. 

please provide many verses on eternal torment

(not for angels, not the eternal fire, or the eternal smoke)

make a rock solid SCRIPTURAL case for eternal torment and I will change my mind

Edited October 11, 2022 by Riverwalker

[missmuffet]

19 minutes ago, Riverwalker said:

please provide many verses on eternal torment

(not for angels, not the eternal fire, or the eternal smoke)

make a rock solid SCRIPTURAL case for eternal torment and I will change my mind

Is hell real? Is hell eternal?

https://www.gotquestions.org

ANSWER

It is interesting that a much higher percentage of people believe in the existence of heaven than believe in the existence of hell. According to the Bible, though, hell is just as real as heaven. The Bible clearly and explicitly teaches that hell is a real place to which the wicked/unbelieving are sent after death. We have all sinned against God (Romans 3:23). The just punishment for that sin is death (Romans 6:23). Since all of our sin is ultimately against God (Psalm 51:4), and since God is an infinite and eternal Being, the punishment for sin, death, must also be infinite and eternal. Hell is this infinite and eternal death which we have earned because of our sin.

 

 

The punishment of the wicked dead in hell is described throughout Scripture as “eternal fire” (Matthew 25:41), “unquenchable fire” (Matthew 3:12), “shame and everlasting contempt” (Daniel 12:2), a place where “the fire is not quenched” (Mark 9:44-49), a place of “torment” and “fire” (Luke 16:23-24), “everlasting destruction” (2 Thessalonians 1:9), a place where “the smoke of torment rises forever and ever” (Revelation 14:10-11), and a “lake of burning sulfur” where the wicked are “tormented day and night forever and ever” (Revelation 20:10).

The punishment of the wicked in hell is as never ending as the bliss of the righteous in heaven. Jesus Himself indicates that punishment in hell is just as everlasting as life in heaven (Matthew 25:46). The wicked are forever subject to the fury and the wrath of God. Those in hell will acknowledge the perfect justice of God (Psalm 76:10). Those who are in hell will know that their punishment is just and that they alone are to blame (Deuteronomy 32:3-5). Yes, hell is real. Yes, hell is a place of torment and punishment that lasts forever and ever, with no end. Praise God that, through Jesus, we can escape this eternal fate (John 3:16, 18, 36).

Edited October 11, 2022 by missmuffet

[Riverwalker]

19 hours ago, missmuffet said:

Is hell real? Is hell eternal?

https://www.gotquestions.org

ANSWER

It is interesting that a much higher percentage of people believe in the existence of heaven than believe in the existence of hell. According to the Bible, though, hell is just as real as heaven. The Bible clearly and explicitly teaches that hell is a real place to which the wicked/unbelieving are sent after death. We have all sinned against God (Romans 3:23). The just punishment for that sin is death (Romans 6:23). Since all of our sin is ultimately against God (Psalm 51:4), and since God is an infinite and eternal Being, the punishment for sin, death, must also be infinite and eternal. Hell is this infinite and eternal death which we have earned because of our sin.

 

 

The punishment of the wicked dead in hell is described throughout Scripture as “eternal fire” (Matthew 25:41), “unquenchable fire” (Matthew 3:12), “shame and everlasting contempt” (Daniel 12:2), a place where “the fire is not quenched” (Mark 9:44-49), a place of “torment” and “fire” (Luke 16:23-24), “everlasting destruction” (2 Thessalonians 1:9), a place where “the smoke of torment rises forever and ever” (Revelation 14:10-11), and a “lake of burning sulfur” where the wicked are “tormented day and night forever and ever” (Revelation 20:10).

The punishment of the wicked in hell is as never ending as the bliss of the righteous in heaven. Jesus Himself indicates that punishment in hell is just as everlasting as life in heaven (Matthew 25:46). The wicked are forever subject to the fury and the wrath of God. Those in hell will acknowledge the perfect justice of God (Psalm 76:10). Those who are in hell will know that their punishment is just and that they alone are to blame (Deuteronomy 32:3-5). Yes, hell is real. Yes, hell is a place of torment and punishment that lasts forever and ever, with no end. Praise God that, through Jesus, we can escape this eternal fate (John 6, 18, 36).

None of those mention eternal torment.

The fire is forever 

the smoke is forever

The judgment (the second death) is forever

but not the torment

And I don't know if you misquoted this on purpose, but only Satan, the Beast and the false prophet  will be tormented forever....it does not say "The Wicked"

 

Revel 20:10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

Edited October 12, 2022 by Riverwalker

[missmuffet]

6 minutes ago, Riverwalker said:

None of those mention eternal torment.

The fire is forever 

the smoke is forever

The judgment (the second death) is forever

but not the torment

And I don't know if you misquoted this on purpose, but only Satan, the Beast and the false prophet  will be tormented forever....it does not say "The Wicked"

 

Revel 20:10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

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