The Bema Seat Judgment

[missmuffet]

This judgment is also called the Judgment Seat of Christ. All believers will have to give account of ourselves. It is a judgment of rewards for how faithful we were to Christ while in these bodies while we were on earth. This judgment doesn't determine salvation because all those in this judgment are true believers in Jesus Christ. God will not judge our sins. There will be different degrees of rewards.

2 Timothy 2:5

And also if anyone competes in athletics, he is not crowned unless he competes according to the rules.

 

[Jedi4Yahweh]

12 hours ago, missmuffet said:

This judgment is also called the Judgment Seat of Christ. All believers will have to give account of ourselves. It is a judgment of rewards for how faithful we were to Christ while in these bodies while we were on earth. This judgment doesn't determine salvation because all those in this judgment are true believers in Jesus Christ. God will not judge our sins. There will be different degrees of rewards.

Where you getting that it has nothing to do with judgement of sin or salvation when you clearly compare it to scriptures is says to the opposite.  Yes, I understand God forgives our sins IF we repent, but sins we don't repent from will be judged.

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. - Jhn 5:28-29 KJV

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things [done] in [his] body, according to that he hath done, whether [it be] good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences. - 2Co 5:10-11 KJV

For the time [is come] that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if [it] first [begin] at us, what shall the end [be] of them that obey not the gospel of God? And if the righteous scarcely [rarely/hardly/few] be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? - 1Pe 4:17-18 

And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. - Rev 20:11-15 KJV

But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. - Mat 12:36-37 KJV

 

 

 

 

 

[enoob57]

God is word specific that our salvation has nothing to do with works... our growth and sanctification process is about works...  

[Jedi4Yahweh]

20 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

God is word specific that our salvation has nothing to do with works... our growth and sanctification process is about works...  

Your beloved Paul would disagree:

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. - Gal 5:19-21 KJV

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. - 1Co 6:9-10 KJV

 

 

[missmuffet]

37 minutes ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

Where you getting that it has nothing to do with judgement of sin or salvation when you clearly compare it to scriptures is says to the opposite.  Yes, I understand God forgives our sins IF we repent, but sins we don't repent from will be judged.

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. - Jhn 5:28-29 KJV

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things [done] in [his] body, according to that he hath done, whether [it be] good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences. - 2Co 5:10-11 KJV

For the time [is come] that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if [it] first [begin] at us, what shall the end [be] of them that obey not the gospel of God? And if the righteous scarcely [rarely/hardly/few] be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? - 1Pe 4:17-18 

And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. - Rev 20:11-15 KJV

But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. - Mat 12:36-37 KJV

 

 

 

 

 

We will either gain rewards or reward will be taken away. 

1 Corinthians 3:12-15

 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

[enoob57]

1 hour ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

Your beloved Paul would disagree:

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. - Gal 5:19-21 KJV

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. - 1Co 6:9-10 KJV

 

 

so even though God says it is not works that save us... you continue saying it is?

[Jedi4Yahweh]

17 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

so even though God says it is not works that save us... you continue saying it is?

Absolutely, no denying it, faith with out works is not real faith its called hypocrisy. 

The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. - Rev 20:13

who will render to each one according to his deeds: eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness--indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; - Rom 2:6-9 

"Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice "and come forth--those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. - Jhn 5:28-29 

When all has been heard, the conclusion of the matter is this: fear God and keep his commands, because this is for all humanity. For God will bring every act to judgment, including every hidden thing, whether good or evil.  - Ecc 12:13-14

Also to You, O Lord, [belongs] mercy; For You render to each one according to his work. - Psa 62:12 NKJV

 

Edited October 10, 2022 by Jedi4Yahweh

[missmuffet]

27 minutes ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

Absolutely, no denying it, faith with out works is not real faith its called hypocrisy. 

The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. - Rev 20:13

who will render to each one according to his deeds: eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness--indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; - Rom 2:6-9 

"Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice "and come forth--those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. - Jhn 5:28-29 

When all has been heard, the conclusion of the matter is this: fear God and keep his commands, because this is for all humanity. For God will bring every act to judgment, including every hidden thing, whether good or evil.  - Ecc 12:13-14

Also to You, O Lord, [belongs] mercy; For You render to each one according to his work. - Psa 62:12 NKJV

 

Yes, faith without works does not save us but works alone does not save us. 

[enoob57]

1 hour ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

Absolutely, no denying it, faith with out works is not real faith its called hypocrisy. 

The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. - Rev 20:13

who will render to each one according to his deeds: eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness--indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; - Rom 2:6-9 

"Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice "and come forth--those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. - Jhn 5:28-29 

When all has been heard, the conclusion of the matter is this: fear God and keep his commands, because this is for all humanity. For God will bring every act to judgment, including every hidden thing, whether good or evil.  - Ecc 12:13-14

Also to You, O Lord, [belongs] mercy; For You render to each one according to his work. - Psa 62:12 NKJV

All this can be answered simply 'those born of Holy Spirit' look to Jesus' life as a covering of their own inadequate life...

Jesus has already told us about those who are relying on their works to be saved and what will happen.... the real question is
why then, when these state their good works, are not known to Christ?
Matthew 7:22 (KJV)

[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[Jedi4Yahweh]

1 hour ago, missmuffet said:

Yes, faith without works does not save us but works alone does not save us. 

Agreed, its faith that has works is what saves.