Is it haughty and arrogant to proclaim oneself saved?

[Not of the World]

4 hours ago, Riverwalker said:

So when we say were are saved...we ARE bragging....on God

It could be inferred by others as being "special" and part of a "special" club, which would come off as arrogant and be a turnoff to seculars.  I don't believe it's effective at bringing others to Jesus.  

[Jayne]

18 minutes ago, Not of the World said:

It could be inferred by others as being "special" and part of a "special" club, which would come off as arrogant and be a turnoff to seculars.  I don't believe it's effective at bringing others to Jesus.  

As you have said, we can misunderstand each other and I don't want to do that.

I don't understand how we are supposed to bring others to understand about Christ if we don't tell them that we are saved and what it means to us.

What I'm trying to say is that I've never seen anyone "brag" about their salvation in a haughty manner.  Perhaps you have, I don't know.

 

[NCAP]

5 minutes ago, Jayne said:

As you have said, we can misunderstand each other and I don't want to do that.

I don't understand how we are supposed to bring others to understand about Christ if we don't tell them that we are saved and what it means to us.

What I'm trying to say is that I've never seen anyone "brag" about their salvation in a haughty manner.  Perhaps you have, I don't know.

 

And do this knowing the time, that it is already the hour for you to awaken out of sleep; for our salvation is nearer now than when first we believed. (Romans 13:11)

What is he talking about? Salvation is nearer?

Isn't the believer all nice and saved? 

[Not of the World]

3 minutes ago, NCAP said:

And do this knowing the time, that it is already the hour for you to awaken out of sleep; for our salvation is nearer now than when first we believed. (Romans 13:11)

What is he talking about? Salvation is nearer?

Isn't the believer all nice and saved? 

[Jayne]

32 minutes ago, NCAP said:

And do this knowing the time, that it is already the hour for you to awaken out of sleep; for our salvation is nearer now than when first we believed. (Romans 13:11)

What is he talking about? Salvation is nearer?

Isn't the believer all nice and saved? 

"Isn't the believer all nice and saved?"

Well, as a matter of Biblical fact - yes,  we are.  A person is either believer, saved by God through Christ, or they are not.  Jesus Christ said that for those whom the Father gave him - NONE can be plucked from his hand.  At salvation, the Bible says we are sealed with the Holy Spirit and that the Holy Spirit will continue to teach us, convict us, and guide us.

Jesus also said that he would draw ALL men to himself - and the Bible teaches that not all humans will submit to Christ.

What is Paul talking about in Romans 13 about salvation being "nearer"? 

I'll just use myself for example:

[1] I was saved decades ago.  That was God saving me or using the fancy term, justifying me.

[2] I am still growing in Christ.  God sanctifies me.

[3] One day, I will go to be with the Lord.  God will glorify me.  And with each minute and hour that passes, that day grows nearer.

God does it all - not me.

Salvation - being justified, sanctified, and one day, glorified.

There are about a dozen people on this board that I have a hard time understanding exactly what they believe and sometimes what they are even talking about.  That pains me.

[NCAP]

7 minutes ago, Jayne said:

"Isn't the believer all nice and saved?"

Well, as a matter of Biblical fact - yes,  we are.

...  

[1] I was saved decades ago.

And the reason you are going to die? Or do you deny that you are mortal?

 

[Not of the World]

51 minutes ago, NCAP said:

And do this knowing the time, that it is already the hour for you to awaken out of sleep; for our salvation is nearer now than when first we believed. (Romans 13:11)

What is he talking about? Salvation is nearer?

Isn't the believer all nice and saved? 

 

To me it sounds like they knew that they were not yet saved but were going to be saved.  I think one is "saved" after their Earthly death.  

[Jayne]

1 minute ago, NCAP said:

And the reason you are going to die? Or do you deny that you are mortal?

The Bible says the reason that I am going to die is that I was born a sinner.

But God saved me by grace.  I'm  still going to die because of the flesh - but I will go to be with God.

[NCAP]

Just now, Not of the World said:

 

To me it sounds like they knew that they were not yet saved but were going to be saved.  I think one is "saved" after their Earthly death.  

That is what I think, also. But I'm not sure about exactly what they thought about themselves. To me, no one in the ground is saved. But the only way out of the grave is through the resurrection.

Is death the ultimate upgrade?

[Michael37]

7 hours ago, NCAP said:

What exactly do the dead have?

If we join the dead in Christ we have eternal life with Him, something we can be sure of regardless of the condition of our bodies. 

2Co 5:1-8  For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.  (2)  For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven,  (3)  if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked.  (4)  For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life.  (5)  Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.  (6)  So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord.  (7)  For we walk by faith, not by sight.  (8)  We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.