If I'm interpreting this correctly, Moses told us that there is water BENEATH the Earth

[Retrobyter]

16 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

Also because of Christ's eternal priesthood what has actually already happened is that He has made the first covenant obsolete.

Hebrews 8:13

Shalom, Michael37

The first covenant, yes. The Law, no. The eternal priesthood does not negate the Law; He fulfilled all of the Law! The first covenant was the agreement between the children of Israel and YHWH Elohiym. They agreed to keep His Law, but they failed to do so.

By God interchanging our standing with that of the Messiah, by declaring us to be the Messiah's righteousness (or actually, God's righteousness in the Messiah) and declaring the Messiah, His own Son, to be our sin (while He was on the cross), He is now free to declare us "Righteous" and thereby secure His justification of us.

Romans 7:12 (KJV)

12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

God has just given us the means by which to be considered "righteous" through then and His Son!

The NEW Covenant that He makes with the house of Israel (and we Gentiles as adopted through Him) is a Covenant by which we can live eternally, for He shall write His Law upon our hearts and His commandments are not grievous to bear:

1 John 2:7-11 (KJV)

7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning. 8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth. 9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. 10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. 11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

1 John 3:13-24 (KJV)

13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you. 14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. 15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him. 16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. 17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? 18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. 19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. 20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. 21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. 22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

1 John 5:1-15 (KJV)

1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? 6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: 15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

John knew what to write here, because he heard it directly from Yeeshuwa`:

John 15:1-17 (KJV)

1 "I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. 9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. 10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. 11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.

12 "This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

13 "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. 14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. 15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you. 16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. 17 These things I command you, that ye love one another."

[other one]

7 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

The first covenant, yes. The Law, no. The eternal priesthood does not negate the Law; He fulfilled all of the Law! The first covenant was the agreement between the children of Israel and YHWH Elohiym. They agreed to keep His Law, but they failed to do so.

John 5:16-18
Sabbath. 17 But He answered them, "My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working."  18 For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.
NASB

Jesus confessed to a Jewish group of people that he was working on the sabbath. 

Ex 20:8-11

8 "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.
NASB

 

Jesus gave is two new commandments to keep and the sabbath was not among them.

I might add that he told us about a group of people that he is sending to hell and what he uses for reasons does not break any of the ten commandments.

 

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Matt 25:31-46

31 "But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. 32 "And all the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; 33 and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left. 34 "Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 'For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; 36 naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.' 37 "Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You drink? 38 'And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You? 39 'And when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?' 40 "And the King will answer and say to them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.' 41 "Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; 42 for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink; 43 I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.' 44 "Then they themselves also will answer, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?' 45 "Then He will answer them, saying, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.' 46 "And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
NASB

 

We should be teaching people about the two commandments and let the old covenant go.   It's important.

[Michael37]

2 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Michael37

The first covenant, yes. The Law, no. The eternal priesthood does not negate the Law; He fulfilled all of the Law! The first covenant was the agreement between the children of Israel and YHWH Elohiym. They agreed to keep His Law, but they failed to do so.

By God interchanging our standing with that of the Messiah, by declaring us to be the Messiah's righteousness (or actually, God's righteousness in the Messiah) and declaring the Messiah, His own Son, to be our sin (while He was on the cross), He is now free to declare us "Righteous" and thereby secure His justification of us.

Romans 7:12 (KJV)

12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

God has just given us the means by which to be considered "righteous" through then and His Son!

The NEW Covenant that He makes with the house of Israel (and we Gentiles as adopted through Him) is a Covenant by which we can live eternally, for He shall write His Law upon our hearts and His commandments are not grievous to bear:

1 John 2:7-11 (KJV)

7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning. 8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth. 9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. 10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. 11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

1 John 3:13-24 (KJV)

13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you. 14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. 15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him. 16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. 17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? 18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. 19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. 20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. 21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. 22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

1 John 5:1-15 (KJV)

1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? 6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: 15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

John knew what to write here, because he heard it directly from Yeeshuwa`:

John 15:1-17 (KJV)

1 "I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. 9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. 10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. 11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.

12 "This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

13 "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. 14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. 15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you. 16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. 17 These things I command you, that ye love one another."

Shortened answer, Hebrews 10:

[Retrobyter]

2 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

Shortened answer, Hebrews 10:

Shortened response, "no more sacrifice for sin," does NOT mean "no more Law!"

[BeyondET]

Here's a interesting statement of waters. The above waters is only mentioned once in these verses. Any opinions on what the upper waters may be?

Gen 1

6And God said, “Let there be an expansec between the waters, to separate the waters from the waters.” 7So God made the expanse and separated the waters beneath it from the waters above. And it was so. 8God called the expanse “sky.”

Edited January 20, 2023 by BeyondET

[Michael37]

On 1/18/2023 at 12:06 PM, Retrobyter said:

Shortened response, "no more sacrifice for sin," does NOT mean "no more Law!"

Watch out for things that are shadows.

Hebrews 10:1

Notice everything about the new and living way.

Hebrews 10:20

[BeyondET]

On 11/18/2022 at 11:41 PM, Eman_3 said:

Yes, there is water underground. But it is not in large bodies, it saturates like a sponge. Anyone who has drilled for a well knows about aquifers. This has been known since man started drilling wells. Wells were first dug in the Neolithic era, which was around 7,000 – 10,000 BC.

 

If one goes deeper, the temperature rises, and if any water goes above the boiling point , it becomes steam. The 'smoke' you see billowing out of a volcano is actually a mix of mostly water vapor, carbon dioxide, and sulfur gases (and ash, during an eruption and depending on the volcano).

 

 

That picture isn't totally correct. it's missing the transition zone between the mantles. Where the main body of earth's water is in those depths. it's part of earths water circulation. Though that's not about the title.

Edited January 20, 2023 by BeyondET

[Retrobyter]

6 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

Watch out for things that are shadows.

Hebrews 10:1

Notice everything about the new and living way.

Hebrews 10:20

Shalom, Michael.

SO?

Hebrews 10:1 (KJV)

1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

That's still not the LAW that is the shadow; it's the Law HAVING a shadow of good things to come!

One must still go back to what Paul wrote:

Romans 7:7-12 (KJV)

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid! Nay, I had not known sin, but BY the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said,

"Thou shalt not covet." (Exodus 20:17.) 

8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence (sexual desire). For without the law sin was dead. 9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. 10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death! 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. 12 Wherefore THE LAW IS HOLY, and THE COMMANDMENT HOLY, AND JUST, AND GOOD.

God has NEVER changed His Law; He has ONLY changed the DELIVERY METHOD! We can't keep it ourselves; we must trust Yeeshuwa` to have done it FOR us, on our behalf!

This is why 2 Corinthians 5:21 is so important to the justification process! This is how God justifies us:

2 Corinthians 5:21 (KJV)

21 For he (God) hath made him (the Messiah) to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him (in the Messiah).

It's an EXCHANGE! He became our "sin"; so, we become His "righteousness" (or actually, the "righteousness of God IN Him"). God was justified, calling Yeeshuwa` our "sin" on the cross, to pour out His wrath upon our "sin" (His Son), and now, He can be just as justified to pour out His blessings upon US, His Son's "RIGHTEOUSNESS!"

Oh, and GOD is the One who justifies! That's one reason why I believe "salvation" is the wrong word. We aren't "saved," as though we could do anything about it. If WE had some say in the matter, then - yes - we could "lose our salvation."

But, it's not UP TO US! It is GOD who justifies!

Romans 8:31-34 (KJV)

31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth! 34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us!

It wasn't fair, but it WAS "JUST!" I don't say OSAS; I say, OJBGAJBG! "Once Justified By God, ALWAYS Justified By God!"

[Michael37]

31 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Michael.

SO?

Hebrews 10:1 (KJV)

1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

That's still not the LAW that is the shadow; it's the Law HAVING a shadow of good things to come!

One must still go back to what Paul wrote:

Romans 7:7-12 (KJV)

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid! Nay, I had not known sin, but BY the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said,

"Thou shalt not covet." (Exodus 20:17.) 

8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence (sexual desire). For without the law sin was dead. 9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. 10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death! 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. 12 Wherefore THE LAW IS HOLY, and THE COMMANDMENT HOLY, AND JUST, AND GOOD.

God has NEVER changed His Law; He has ONLY changed the DELIVERY METHOD! We can't keep it ourselves; we must trust Yeeshuwa` to have done it FOR us, on our behalf!

This is why 2 Corinthians 5:21 is so important to the justification process! This is how God justifies us:

2 Corinthians 5:21 (KJV)

21 For he (God) hath made him (the Messiah) to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him (in the Messiah).

It's an EXCHANGE! He became our "sin"; so, we become His "righteousness" (or actually, the "righteousness of God IN Him"). God was justified, calling Yeeshuwa` our "sin" on the cross, to pour out His wrath upon our "sin" (His Son), and now, He can be just as justified to pour out His blessings upon US, His Son's "RIGHTEOUSNESS!"

Oh, and GOD is the One who justifies! That's one reason why I believe "salvation" is the wrong word. We aren't "saved," as though we could do anything about it. If WE had some say in the matter, then - yes - we could "lose our salvation."

But, it's not UP TO US! It is GOD who justifies!

Romans 8:31-34 (KJV)

31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth! 34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us!

It wasn't fair, but it WAS "JUST!" I don't say OSAS; I say, OJBGAJBG! "Once Justified By God, ALWAYS Justified By God!"

So it was Goodbye to the Old Testament priesthood, and to the shadowy aspects of the law.

Hebrews 7:12

 

[The Barbarian]

On 12/5/2022 at 12:10 PM, other one said:

keepin mind that the boiling point changes with pressure.