Antiochus Epiphanes, the premier archetype of the antichrist, any others qualify ?

[Shilohsfoal]

36 minutes ago, Diaste said:

Key phrase. No way to know what it is if there is no example. AE is the example.

Sure. Doesn't mean it didn't happen in the past. 

"We are going to see the game this weekend."

"The circus is coming, are you going to go see it?"

 

Now according to zech, the nations which have taken Jerusalem on that day suffer a plague. 

Zech 14 :12

And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

 

Now seeing its the armed forces of the north and knowing what they have in thier armory, we can easily see what kind of device they place in Jerusalem by the plague those in Jerusalem suffer from. 

They are consumed while they are standing on thier feet. They are instantly consumed. They don't even have time to fall to the ground. 

If I'm not mistaken, Hiroshima suffered from the exact same plague. They also were consumed while the stood on thier feet. 

And it wasnt a dead pig that caused Hiroshimas desolation. So how would we know what the armed forces will use to cause Jerusalems desolation? 

See zech 14:12 above. 

Edited November 5, 2022 by Shilohsfoal

[Tom Maccabeus]

On 11/5/2022 at 10:57 AM, Diaste said:

Key phrase. No way to know what it is if there is no example. AE is the example.

Sure. Doesn't mean it didn't happen in the past. 

"We are going to see the game this weekend."

"The circus is coming, are you going to go see it?"

 

Hi Diaste , you make a good point. No way to know what it is if there is no example. AE is the example.

 The common understanding of the term A of D was the event of 167BC.   Even the phrase "abomination that causes desolation" in the semitic language points to what AE IVth did in his idolatry. 

[Revelation Man]

On 11/2/2022 at 4:16 AM, Diaste said:

I'm convinced much of Dan 11 is fulfilled in the Diadochi and their kingdoms and wars, right up to when the context changes to the time of the end. 

 

Of course, all the way to verse 34, I kind of see verse 35 as a verse that gives us a 2500 years of sort of Hyperdrive from that point until the end, with all the white souls those of Gid by way of faith before Jesus or after Jesus, on the promise to come or on Jesus death. 

The very same Antiochus of course gave us a type AoD to look out for. A man who's image is placed in the temple of God, and I think a false prophet like unto Jason who ruled under Antiochus, a Jewish High Priest gone rogue. 

 

[Tom Maccabeus]

There is a new book coming out that sets forth groundbreaking historic and biblical research concerning the archetype of the Biblical Antichrist (Antiochus IV).  This book gives 7 evidences that show he not only imposed idolatry in 168 B.C., but also imposed a large-scale lawless sexual agenda. This had practically all the characteristics of the modern-day LGBTQ movement.

“The Last Days Pride Parade and the Return of the Lord”  https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-last-days-pride-parade-tom-maccabeus/1142105434?ean=2940167069626

The book also shows that this was the only other time in recorded history when this forced sexualized oppression occurred, aside from our modern time. Many Christians are not aware of these things but need to be. It is no coincidence this all happened at the cataclysmic time of "the abomination of desolation"  a major sign which Christ spoke about that would usher in the future great tribulation and His return.

 

Edited June 2, 2023 by Tom Maccabeus

[R. Hartono]

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[luigi]

You guys should really read the timing associated with the little horn (aka the Antichrist) in Daniel 8. According to the angel Gabriel (Daniel 8:16), the events associate with the little horn/the Antichrist occur during the end times (Daniel 8:17 & 19). Additionally, Daniel 12:4 & 9 corroborates the events in Daniel 11 in which the Antichrist appears in Daniel 11:30-36, occurring during the end times. 

The Antichrist is therefore not some BC event, in which Christ also speaks of in the Abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel as a future event (Matthew 24:15).

 

[Revelation Man]

8 hours ago, luigi said:

You guys should really read the timing associated with the little horn (aka the Antichrist) in Daniel 8. According to the angel Gabriel (Daniel 8:16), the events associate with the little horn/the Antichrist occur during the end times (Daniel 8:17 & 19). Additionally, Daniel 12:4 & 9 corroborates the events in Daniel 11 in which the Antichrist appears in Daniel 11:30-36, occurring during the end times. 

The Antichrist is therefore not some BC event, in which Christ also speaks of in the Abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel as a future event (Matthew 24:15).

 

Dan. 11:21-34 is Antiochus, 35 is a 2000 year "Transition" where we are just told people purged and made WHITE (which means we are cleansed by God, of course) until the end which is at a TIME APPOINTED.  Then we get the Anti-Christ in verses 36-45.

So, the AoD in Dan. 11:29-31 is why we see Hanukkah celebrated, they had to cleanse the temple, Antiochus sacrificed a pig on the altar of God unto Zeus. Jason (real name Yeshua) welcomed him into the temple to do this, he was the archetype False Prophet.

Read it very close, it says in verses 29-31 that he will not be allowed to Conquer Egypt/Alexandria as he did FORMERLY, nor as will happen LATER ON (by the Anti-Christ). A Roman Senator was sent to stop Antiochus from invading Egypt again, he is the one that drew a circle around him and told him he needed an answer before he left the circle or else he would be at War with Rome.

Dan. 11:29 At the time appointed he shall return(he has ALREADY Conquered Egypt once before/Antiochus), and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter.

{{{ So, Antiochus RETUNS to Conquer Egypt again but is thwarted by a Roman Senator, the Anti-Christ only Conquers Egypt once and is never thwarted by anyone.....The Anti-Christ is THE LATER being spoken about in verse 29 !! So, verse 29 is about Antiochus Epiphanes IV. }}}

30 For the ships of Chittim(Cypress, whoever controlled Cypress at the time was thus being spoken about/Rome, thus the Roman Senator) shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant:(Antiochus killed 60k to 90k Jews) so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant(The Hellenist Jews BETRAYED their brothers).

31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

This is Antiochus who was an ARCHETYPE of Anti-Christ, and he named Jason as the High Priest who was an ARCHETYPE of False Prophet. They ruled together, so in essence God gave us a shadow of things to come and He gave us that shadow in perfection, with both men working in unison. 

[luigi]

11 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Dan. 11:21-34 is Antiochus,

Revelation Man,

When Daniel inquires of the angel to the meaning of the vision shown him in Chapter 11, he is informed to go on his way and that the vision was regarding the end times, at which time these events would be revealed (Daniel 12:9). This did not happen in the 2nd century BC with Antiochus. The worst of times for the saints (Daniel 12:1), in which Michael will stand up for the saints during the times, times, and an half (Daniel 12:7, correlates with the time, times, and dividing of time in Daniel 7:25, when the beast with 10 horns subdues the saints. This event also correlates with the 10 horned beast in Revelation 13:7 who subdues the saints for 42 months, which occurs during the end times.

 Daniel 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

[Revelation Man]

2 hours ago, luigi said:

When Daniel inquires of the angel to the meaning of the vision shown him in Chapter 11, he is informed to go on his way and that the vision was regarding the end times, at which time these events would be revealed (Daniel 12:9). This did not happen in the 2nd century BC with Antiochus.

The vision goes from Daniel 10 through Dan. 12, when I did my Exegesis I only did chapters 11 and 12. Chapter 11v starts with Alexander the Great (so that was 2300 or so years ago) and runs through al of the Syrian Wars until we get to Antiochus then, just like the 70th week is put off for the Church Age, we get a jump in time until the very end. Why was Rome and Greece ruling at the same time? Well, the Beast Man (Anti-Christ) will be of both. He is born in Greece and comes to power in the E.U. So, Antiochus was the Archetype to come. Then we go from him, the Last Grecian leader with any real power, to the End Time Beast/A.C. in verses 36-45.

2 hours ago, luigi said:

The worst of times for the saints (Daniel 12:1), in which Michael will stand up for the saints during the times, times, and an half (Daniel 12:7, correlates with the time, times, and dividing of time in Daniel 7:25, when the beast with 10 horns subdues the saints. This event also correlates with the 10 horned beast in Revelation 13:7 who subdues the saints for 42 months, which occurs during the end times.

 Daniel 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

Correct, Daniel 11:36-45 explains the Anti-Christs rule and demise or death, then in Daniel 12:1-2 Daniel is told about a GREAT TROUBLE brought by this man shown in Dan. 11:36-45, and how after he is defeated Israel's Saints who sleep in the earth will be raised, and Daniel will then stand in his lot. This is at the Second Coming, not the Rapture, Israel are already married unto God the Father, we the Church will e Raptured before the 70th week to go to Heaven to marry the Lamb Jesus. 

So, yes, Michael stands up to protect the Jews who repent at the 1335, just before the 1290 AoD and the 1260 Anti-Christs conquering, they thus flee unto the Petra/Bozrah area at the 1290, which s 30 days before the DOTL coming, which releases the coming Anti-Christ.

Yes, the Jews are "The Saints" being spoken of here, see how John used two different titles, one for the Jewish Saints in general, and another name for the Martyrs of Jesus (in which some were also Jews, of course, as he was) as show in Rev. 17:6 below:

Rev. 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints(Jews in general), and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

John, Daniel et al was speaking about Israel as "The Saints" in general, of course there are now so called Christian Saints, but when they spoke about these things originally, Saints referred unto Jewish peoples whom God had called out unto service unto Him, His chosen peoples, thus John differentiates between the two so as not to confuse people, Daniel only knew of the Jewish Saints during his life time. 

Jerusalem is subdued/conquered by the Anti-Christ for 42 months, see Rev. 11 it says this also. Jerusalem is trodden under foot for 42 months. Yes, everything in Dan. 11:36-45 and all of Daniel 12 is about the 70th week end times. But Dan. 11:21-34 is about Antiochus, just like Daniel 11:5 is about Alexander the Great.

God Bless

[Tom Maccabeus]

     Hi all, 
        But what about the major issue, of this Biblical Antichrist (Antiochus IV)  imposing a large-scale lawless sexual agenda with all the characteristics of the modern-day LGBTQ movement?
        This was the only other time in recorded history when this forced sexualized oppression occurred, aside from our modern time. 
        
        Tom Maccabeus
        “The Last Days Pride Parade and the Return of the Lord” https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-last-days-pride-parade-tom-maccabeus/1142105434?ean=2940167069626

Edited June 7, 2023 by Tom Maccabeus