Catholic Church no longer swears by truth

[nebula]

Everything they could?

So why the insistance of keeping the Scriptures in Latin and not the common language?

[Guest stray bullet]

Everything they could?

So why the insistance of keeping the Scriptures in Latin and not the common language?

Scripture was kept in Latin because that was the common language in the early days. It was also kept in Greek as well. However, as Spanish, French and Italian sprang up and replaced Latin, the books were kept in the original language- like people today still read the KJV. Let's suppose that we no longer had the printing press and all books had to be handwritten, people would still insist on having KJV of the bible for centuries, so long as we understood the form of English it was written in.

Remember that books were incredibly valuable and difficult to make back then. New copies would keep the old Latin because anyone that could afford or have access to the bible would know Latin anyways. That's why in law and science, Greek and Latin words are still used- because they were the international languages of the educated.

Why weren't there more local translations of the bible in Europe? Because Latin was the language of the educated, who were the only ones that could afford the bible anyways.

Edited October 18, 2005 by stray bullet

[seraph]

But the first 11 chapters of Genesis, in which two different and at times conflicting stories of creation are told, are among those that this country's Catholic bishops insist cannot be "historical". At most, they say, they may contain "historical traces".

Can someone fill me in? What are the conflicting stories that are being told?

Many people sometimes think that Genesis 1 conflicts with Genesis 2 because the creation is listed in a "different order"... but really there is no contradiction- Genesis 1 gives the order of events as they were created- chronological order... Genesis 2 gives additional details about them without stating when they were created- topical order (i.e. Genesis 1 talks about the creation of animals, Genesis 2 talks about the naming of animals).

[yomotalking]

It seems that even the Church these days doesn't posess a basic understanding of scripture.

I actually had a Christian accuse me of not keeping Torah (was discussing Torah observance with them) because my firstborn is still alive because I had not sacrificed her. I just don't know where this nonsense comes from...wait a minute...yes I do...

...because you had not sacrificed her>?

Poor people.

*shakes head.*

[nebula]

Everything they could?

So why the insistance of keeping the Scriptures in Latin and not the common language?

Scripture was kept in Latin because that was the common language in the early days. It was also kept in Greek as well. However, as Spanish, French and Italian sprang up and replaced Latin, the books were kept in the original language- like people today still read the KJV. Let's suppose that we no longer had the printing press and all books had to be handwritten, people would still insist on having KJV of the bible for centuries, so long as we understood the form of English it was written in.

Remember that books were incredibly valuable and difficult to make back then. New copies would keep the old Latin because anyone that could afford or have access to the bible would know Latin anyways. That's why in law and science, Greek and Latin words are still used- because they were the international languages of the educated.

Why weren't there more local translations of the bible in Europe? Because Latin was the language of the educated, who were the only ones that could afford the bible anyways.

I don't know . . . I heard the first few people who tried to print the Bible into the common language of the people got into trouble with the Roman Catholic Church - imprisoned, killed, something like that.

[Guest stray bullet]

I don't know . . . I heard the first few people who tried to print the Bible into the common language of the people got into trouble with the Roman Catholic Church - imprisoned, killed, something like that.

Not at all true. There was, however, one instance where a man was translating the bible into English, but also got in trouble with the English government and was killed... though his execution had nothing to do with translating the bible.

At a Catholic Mass (service), they would (and still do) read from different parts of the bible. Following the reading from the first Gospel, the priest would then do a homily, a sermon about the Gospel reading for that day. In the end, you would end up reading outloud the bible to a mostly illiterate society. All four Gospels, for example, being entirely read from every 3 years.

Unlike the modern protestant service, where a preacher/minister does a sermon and backs it up with scripture, the Mass was designed to get all the Gospels, NT (and most of the OT scripture) read.

Even today, in a literate society, the Catholic Church still carries on this tradition. Priests can not teach only certain parts of the bible, they have to address all of it.

Edited October 18, 2005 by stray bullet

[JohnS]

I don't know . . . I heard the first few people who tried to print the Bible into the common language of the people got into trouble with the Roman Catholic Church - imprisoned, killed, something like that.

Not at all true. There was, however, one instance where a man was translating the bible into English, but also got in trouble with the English government and was killed... though his execution had nothing to do with translating the bible.

I suppose you are referring to William Tyndale....whatever.

Nebula,

Google Tyndale and Wycliffe. Their biographies are fascinating reading.

[Guest stray bullet]

I don't know . . . I heard the first few people who tried to print the Bible into the common language of the people got into trouble with the Roman Catholic Church - imprisoned, killed, something like that.

Not at all true. There was, however, one instance where a man was translating the bible into English, but also got in trouble with the English government and was killed... though his execution had nothing to do with translating the bible.

I suppose you are referring to William Tyndale....whatever.

Nebula,

Google Tyndale and Wycliffe. Their biographies are fascinating reading.

I'd recommend reading about them in an (secular) encyclopedia, rather than what you randomly find off the internet.

Yes, Tyndale, who was translating the English bible was executed. Although there are a lot of myths and misinformation by extremists out there- mainly that he got in trouble for translating the bible. A claim that any actual study of history disproves.

Edited October 19, 2005 by stray bullet

[JohnS]

I'd recommend reading about them in an (secular) encyclopedia, rather than what you randomly find off the internet.

Yes, Tyndale, who was translating the English bible was executed. Although there are a lot of myths and misinformation by extremists out there- mainly that he got in trouble for translating the bible. A claim that any actual study of history disproves.

Chapter 7 & Chapter 12

http://www.ccel.org/f/foxe/martyrs/home.html

Sorry, was John Fox an extremist?

[Guest stray bullet]

I'd recommend reading about them in an (secular) encyclopedia, rather than what you randomly find off the internet.

Yes, Tyndale, who was translating the English bible was executed. Although there are a lot of myths and misinformation by extremists out there- mainly that he got in trouble for translating the bible. A claim that any actual study of history disproves.

Chapter 7 & Chapter 12

http://www.ccel.org/f/foxe/martyrs/home.html

Sorry, was John Fox an extremist?

Apparently. Did he mention that he was going around spreading heretical beliefs at the time and ended up with problems with the English government over it?

It's funny, when you actually read a encyclopedia, you get a different story. One based on a man that was translating the bible, while promoting heretical beliefs (none of which had to do with reading the bible in English), whilst running into trouble with the government.