Biblical Genetics

[Guest]

On 1/31/2023 at 10:06 PM, BeyondET said:

Rgr that brother, technology pretty much advanced quickly in the those days the descendants of Cain knew chemistry how to make bronze etc. built city's made musical instruments. It's really not completely known what they knew of technology. surely they knew enough to do the things in the bible its not out of the realm of long distance communication.

Fallen angels were free to teach man many things.

[BeyondET]

2 hours ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

Fallen angels were free to teach man many things.

Egyptians pretty advanced. even create subserpents.

[Guest]

4 hours ago, BeyondET said:

Egyptians pretty advanced. even create subserpents.

Yes. We know from the Bible that there are a hierarchy of Elohim and the Divine Council. Satan certainly had his own plans and followers. That's a good point and may also apply to the ancient Greeks.

[The Barbarian]

On 1/31/2023 at 9:06 PM, BeyondET said:

Rgr that brother, technology pretty much advanced quickly in the those days the descendants of Cain knew chemistry how to make bronze etc. built city's made musical instruments. It's really not completely known what they knew of technology. surely they knew enough to do the things in the bible its not out of the realm of long distance communication.

Some time back, an odd device was found in the ruins of an ancient Middle Eastern city.   Some people interpreted it as a battery.   Given that there would have been little use for the small amount of electricity from such a device, I suspect it was used for plating metals with gold or silver.   The maker probably was unaware of the electrical power, only focusing on how it could be used to plate metal objects.

Remember, people in those times were as smart as we are; they just didn't have as much cultural history as we do.  

A cruder form of electrochemical plating was used by the Incas to "plate" silver with gold, using chemicals to selectively remove the silver from the surface of an object that was an alloy of silver with a little gold.   The resulting surface had only the gold atoms remaining, giving the impression of a pure gold object. 

God didn't tell them how to do it.   He merely gave them the intelligence and curiosity to find out things for themselves.

 

Edited February 2, 2023 by The Barbarian

[The Barbarian]

1 hour ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

That's a good point and may also apply to the ancient Greeks.

The Greeks were perhaps the first people to stop ascribing everything to spirits and magic.   The Ionians were probably the first true scientists.

Not that there weren't superstitious Greeks.   But they were perhaps the first to realize how creation itself was a wonder that could be understood and utilized rationally.

 

[BeyondET]

6 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

Some time back, an odd device was found in the ruins of an ancient Middle Eastern city.   Some people interpreted it as a battery.   Given that there would have been little use for the small amount of electricity from such a device, I suspect it was used for plating metals with gold or silver.   The maker probably was unaware of the electrical power, only focusing on how it could be used to plate metal objects.

Remember, people in those times were as smart as we are; they just didn't have as much cultural history as we do.  

A cruder form of electrochemical plating was used by the Incas to "plate" silver with gold, using chemicals to selectively remove the silver from the surface of an object that was an alloy of silver with a little gold.   The resulting surface had only the gold atoms remaining, giving the impression of a pure gold object. 

God didn't tell them how to do it.   He merely gave them the intelligence and curiosity to find out things for themselves.

 

Indeed and other processes as well. they made bronze which is a combination of copper and tin. Interesting thing on tin it comes from a mineral Cassiterite, thats hard to find there's not much around.

Edited February 2, 2023 by BeyondET

[teddyv]

12 minutes ago, BeyondET said:

Indeed and other processes as well. they made bronze which is a combination of copper and tin. Interesting thing on tin it comes from a mineral Cassiterite, thats hard to find there's not much around.

Cassiterite is mainly mined from alluvial sources both historically and even at present. Primary or lode cassiterite is not nearly as commonly mined (at least as the main commodity), constrained to high-temperature hydrothermal deposits and pegmatites.

[BeyondET]

8 minutes ago, teddyv said:

Cassiterite is mainly mined from alluvial sources both historically and even at present. Primary or lode cassiterite is not nearly as commonly mined (at least as the main commodity), constrained to high-temperature hydrothermal deposits and pegmatites.

Yea there certainly isn't abundance in the earths crust it's only about .001%.

Thousands of years ago man must of been still pretty advance to even produce such things.

Edited February 2, 2023 by BeyondET

[teddyv]

15 minutes ago, BeyondET said:

Yea there certainly isn't abundance in the earths crust it's only about .001%.

Thousands of years ago man must of been still pretty advance to even produce such things.

It does not take a lot to placer mine gold, tin, and other gems. The picture below is from a gold deposit in DRC I worked on in 1998. You can see the simple aqueducts the local artisanal miners have built to move water around to sluice the deep soils, which can then be panned downstream. (As an aside, this is now an operating gold mine - ETA - no, it might not be anymore).

The actual smelting and alloying probably took a fair bit of experimentation.

Edited February 2, 2023 by teddyv
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[Mr. M]

What an amazing discussion! Thanks to you all. Although it started out as Biblical genetics, the evolution of the conversation was well worth the diversion. I would never accuse someone of derailing a thread in the midst of constructive dialog, and would only apply that term to when two or more members turn the thread into an all out battle, not only off topic, by contrary the the Spirit. Blessings to all.