Rev 20, literal, symbolic, spiritual.

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Well, you all wonder why I am so "hyper" about these issues, the resurrections, the symbolic vs. literal, etc.

It is because we are at Rev 20:9, where Jerusalem is surrounded by Magog.

You are not understanding because you are all fixed on a singularity interpretation.

You say that you are not pretrib, but you follow the pretrib Rev 20 timeline to the letter.

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You may say, that is because, that is what it says.

But that is not what it says. 

The traditional interpretation is not quite right.

You refuse to consider a different set of timelines.

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That's is really not my problem, if you refuse to consider what is a different timeline.

Why? Because what is happening right in front of you, in Israel, will soon prove what I am saying.

Jerusalem will fall, the second resurrection will happen, and then this planet is fire, followed by the last judgment. You are not seeing it.

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The proof? 1 Cor  15:23-28, matches perfectly with Rev 20, 21, 22.

The center of the timeline is the last enemy to be destroyed is death.

1 Cor 15:23-28, shows 2 resurrections and so does Rev 20.

The first resurrection of Rev 20 is Jesus. The second resurrection is Jesus coming for the kingdom.

Then it is the end when death is destroyed.

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Seeing and understanding these parallel passages clarifies the timelines.

The Revelation is parallel timelines and not consecutive.

But sadly, most will remain in a state of denial until the very end when Jerusalem falls.

You want to know, or you don't.

But either way, it is happening right now in front of you.

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Ok,  let's see, Rev 20:1, Begins a new and separate timeline that begins with Jesus in 33 AD.

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1. Rev 20:4-6, The 1st resurrection, Jesus and the OT saints.

1 Cor 15:23, The 1st resurrection, Christ Jesus and the OT saints who reign with Jesus in heaven. Not on planet earth.

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2. Rev 20:9, The 2nd resurrection, Just before the fire from heaven.

1 Cor 15:23, The 2nd resurrection, They that are Christ's at His coming, for the kingdom.

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*3. Rev 20:14-15, Death is destroyed.

*1 Cor 15:25-26, Death is destroyed.

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4. 1 Cor 15:24, The kingdom is delivered up to the Father after death is destroyed.

Rev 21:2, The kingdom is coming down from God the Father after death is destroyed.

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5. 1 Cor 15:28, Jesus submits to the Father, so the Father is "All in All".

Rev 21:22, God and the Lamb are the temple.

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They match perfectly. The same parallel timelines are shown.

Death being destroyed being the main anchor of both timelines.

This establishes the 1st resurrection of Rev 20 as Jesus and the OT saints in 33 AD.

The second resurrection is the resur/rapt, which is coming. This is every soul that was not resurrected in the 33 AD resurrection of Jesus and the OT saints, both good and evil being resurrected on the "last day".

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It also proves that the 1000 yrs ish is symbolic of the gospel kingdom that began on Pentecost in 33 AD.

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Now how hard is that?

1st, Jesus and the OT saints, 33 AD.

2nd, Everybody else, happening soon.

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I see everybody discussing the resurrections, but is amazing to me how simple it is.

The reason, that it is not figured out by many, is that even though, they try to distance themselves from pretrib, they are still not understanding,

that the 1260 and 42 numbers are symbolic and related to the statue of Dan 2 and the 4th beast of Dan 7 which span centuries,

and the timelines of Revelation are mostly parallel and not always consecutive. 

As long as some smash the timeline which is centuries, into 7 years, or 3 1/2 years, it won't work out, as shown by the debates between pretribbers and associate timelines, who can not agree.

 

Edited February 21, 2023 by abcdef

[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, abcdef said:

Ok,  let's see, Rev 20:1, Begins a new and separate timeline that begins with Jesus in 33 AD.

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1. Rev 20:4-6, The 1st resurrection, Jesus and the OT saints.

1 Cor 15:23, The 1st resurrection, Christ Jesus and the OT saints who reign with Jesus in heaven. Not on planet earth.

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2. Rev 20:9, The 2nd resurrection, Just before the fire from heaven.

1 Cor 15:23, The 2nd resurrection, They that are Christ's at His coming, for the kingdom.

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*3. Rev 20:14-15, Death is destroyed.

*1 Cor 15:25-26, Death is destroyed.

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4. 1 Cor 15:24, The kingdom is delivered up to the Father after death is destroyed.

Rev 21:2, The kingdom is coming down from God the Father after death is destroyed.

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5. 1 Cor 15:28, Jesus submits to the Father, so the Father is "All in All".

Rev 21:22, God and the Lamb are the temple.

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They match perfectly. The same parallel timelines are shown.

Death being destroyed being the main anchor of both timelines.

This establishes the 1st resurrection of Rev 20 as Jesus and the OT saints in 33 AD.

The second resurrection is the resur/rapt, which is coming. This is every soul that was not resurrected in the 33 AD resurrection of Jesus and the OT saints, both good and evil being resurrected on the "last day".

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It also proves that the 1000 yrs ish is symbolic of the gospel kingdom that began on Pentecost in 33 AD.

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Now how hard is that?

1st, Jesus and the OT saints, 33 AD.

2nd, Everybody else, happening soon.

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I see everybody discussing the resurrections, but is amazing to me how simple it is.

The reason, that it is not figured out by many, is that even though, they try to distance themselves from pretrib, they are still not understanding,

that the 1260 and 42 numbers are symbolic and related to the statue of Dan 2 and the 4th beast of Dan 7 which span centuries,

and the timelines of Revelation are mostly parallel and not always consecutive. 

As long as some smash the timeline which is centuries, into 7 years, or 3 1/2 years, it won't work out, as shown by the debates between pretribbers and associate timelines, who can not agree.

 

There are (Two) resurrections on the (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second Death) resurrection has no power.

1.) (First Resurrection) To Life

2.) (Second Death) Resurrection To Damnation

Revelation 20:6KJV

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below

Daniel 12:1-2KJV

1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

John 5:28-29KJV

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The (Last Day) Judgement

John 12:48KJV

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

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6 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

There are (Two) resurrections on the (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second Death) resurrection has no power.

1.) (First Resurrection) To Life

2.) (Second Death) Resurrection To Damnation

Revelation 20:6KJV

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below

Daniel 12:1-2KJV

1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

John 5:28-29KJV

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The (Last Day) Judgement

John 12:48KJV

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

7t7, I agree with you, totally, I think.

You see, I agree with the scriptures that you posted, 100%.

But expanding what they mean, and their placement in the timeline. may vary by some.

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The last day where the good and evil are raised is shown in Rev 20:9, Would you agree with that?

 

[truth7t7]

24 minutes ago, abcdef said:

7t7, I agree with you, totally, I think.

You see, I agree with the scriptures that you posted, 100%.

But expanding what they mean, and their placement in the timeline. may vary by some.

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The last day where the good and evil are raised is shown in Rev 20:9, Would you agree with that?

 

Revelation 20:9 is the last day when the Lord returns in fire and final judgment

Yes at this time the resurrection of all takes place, at the second coming

[abcdef]

On 2/21/2023 at 1:54 AM, truth7t7 said:

Revelation 20:9 is the last day when the Lord returns in fire and final judgment

Yes at this time the resurrection of all takes place, at the second coming

Brother 7t7, At least we agree on what you have posted.

Now the question might be, "What happens just before the Rev 20:9 second coming for salvation, the end of life on this planet, in fire?

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Take a careful look at Rev 20:7-10.

There is no nation present now which is named Magog.

So who, who does Magog symbolize? Exactly who is Magog?

I've heard many ideas about who Magog is. Some Modern texts say Russia, Some older texts say an area in north Iraq.

But this one thing is sure, it is gentile nations.

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Then look at who these gentile nations are surrounding. It is Jerusalem. This is the LAST thing to happen before Jesus comes at the resur/rapt.

This event is not far away, it is here.

You and I are living in the last days of planet earth, before the resur/rapt and last judgment.

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Then you may ask, "What about the mill, the trib, and the Antichrist?

The answer is that all of those things have already taken place. Between the first resurrection in 33 AD, Rev 20:4-6, and our present time.

If you read 1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24, all those things must take place between the first resurrection of Jesus with the OT saints in 33 AD, and the second resur/rapt coming for the kingdom, about to happen.

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The true understanding of Rev 20 is brought about by identifying what the symbols mean and how the parallel timelines of other passages fit together with Rev 20.

The parallel timeline of 1 Cor 15:23-28 has already been pointed out.

 But you may also agree that the 7th trumpet and the 7th vial are also parallel to Rev 20:9.

But look, the 7th trumpet and the 7th vial are showing the same events happening just before they take place, that is, gentile armies attack and Jerusalem is surrounded.

The significance of this is that Jerusalem is shown being restored to Israel, and that happened in 1967. So the possibility of all these things coming together right now should alarm us.

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The pretrib timeline is wrong. It is NOT, NOT a literal 7 year trib, or 3 1/2 years, or 42 mounts, or 1260 days, or literal 1000 years.

The numbers are symbols of a time of centuries. 

This is proven by Dan. 12:7, where the angel says that it will be 3 1/2 times until Israel is scattered, that was 70 AD. So the time from Babylon until 70 AD was the first 3 1/2 times.

The 2nd 3 1/2 times is from 70 AD until 1967, then Jerusalem was restored, 55 years ago. That event ended the times of the gentiles, the same time period as shown in the statue of Dan 2.

The same time that Jesus spoke about in Lk 21:20-24, 24. The 2nd half of the 7 times of the gentiles.

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The promised salvation spiritual kingdom of Israel, began on Pentecost in 33 AD.

This was after the first resurrection of Jesus and the OT saints in 33 AD.

Jesus and the OT saints live and reign, from heaven, over the Pentecost spiritual kingdom of Israel, including some gentiles.

The rod of iron is, love souls like Jesus loves you, and gave His life for you. The rod of iron cannot be broken without consequences, spiritual consequences,eternal consequences. 

The the rest of the gentile planet goes on, in sin, just like always.  

The trib, the Antichrist, the dragon bound and released, all take place during the time between the 1st, 33 AD, and 2nd resurrection, when Jesus and the OT saints rule the kingdom from heaven.

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The Antichrist can only be Caesar and the Bishop of Rome, the image Caesar.

The proof is that the iron nation in the statue of Dan 2, is continuous from 63 BC until Jerusalem was restored in 1967.

Continuous, without a gap, iron to the end of the toes.

That means that the iron can only be Rome, that rules over the children of Israel during that time. 63 BC, continual, until Jerusalem is restored in 1967.

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LOOK what happens right after Jerusalem is restored in the statue of Dan 2. 

The stone strikes, the fire from heaven, the 7th vial, the 7th trumpet.

The stone is about to strike.

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The symbols themselves are not the subject, it is what the symbols represent, that is the subject.

The pretrib, "everything is literal", does not work.

The 7 years/1000 yrs is literal does not work.

The clear answers are found in aligning all prophecy timelines with the Dan 2 and Dan 7 timelines.

 

[truth7t7]

3 hours ago, abcdef said:

Brother 7t7, At least we agree on what you have posted.

Now the question might be, "What happens just before the Rev 20:9 second coming for salvation, the end of life on this planet, in fire?

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Take a careful look at Rev 20:7-10.

There is no nation present now which is named Magog.

So who, who does Magog symbolize? Exactly who is Magog?

I've heard many ideas about who Magog is. Some Modern texts say Russia, Some older texts say an area in north Iraq.

But this one thing is sure, it is gentile nations.

---

Then look at who these gentile nations are surrounding. It is Jerusalem. This is the LAST thing to happen before Jesus comes at the resur/rapt.

This event is not far away, it is here.

You and I are living in the last days of planet earth, before the resur/rapt and last judgment.

-----

Then you may ask, "What about the mill, the trib, and the Antichrist?

The answer is that all of those things have already taken place. Between the first resurrection in 33 AD, Rev 20:4-6, and our present time.

If you read 1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24, all those things must take place between the first resurrection of Jesus with the OT saints in 33 AD, and the second resur/rapt coming for the kingdom, about to happen.

-----

The true understanding of Rev 20 is brought about by identifying what the symbols mean and how the parallel timelines of other passages fit together with Rev 20.

The parallel timeline of 1 Cor 15:23-28 has already been pointed out.

 But you may also agree that the 7th trumpet and the 7th vial are also parallel to Rev 20:9.

But look, the 7th trumpet and the 7th vial are showing the same events happening just before they take place, that is, gentile armies attack and Jerusalem is surrounded.

The significance of this is that Jerusalem is shown being restored to Israel, and that happened in 1967. So the possibility of all these things coming together right now should alarm us.

-----

The pretrib timeline is wrong. It is NOT, NOT a literal 7 year trib, or 3 1/2 years, or 42 mounts, or 1260 days, or literal 1000 years.

The numbers are symbols of a time of centuries. 

This is proven by Dan. 12:7, where the angel says that it will be 3 1/2 times until Israel is scattered, that was 70 AD. So the time from Babylon until 70 AD was the first 3 1/2 times.

The 2nd 3 1/2 times is from 70 AD until 1967, then Jerusalem was restored, 55 years ago. That event ended the times of the gentiles, the same time period as shown in the statue of Dan 2.

The same time that Jesus spoke about in Lk 21:20-24, 24. The 2nd half of the 7 times of the gentiles.

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The promised salvation spiritual kingdom of Israel, began on Pentecost in 33 AD.

This was after the first resurrection of Jesus and the OT saints in 33 AD.

Jesus and the OT saints live and reign, from heaven, over the Pentecost spiritual kingdom of Israel, including some gentiles.

The rod of iron is, love souls like Jesus loves you, and gave His life for you. The rod of iron cannot be broken without consequences, spiritual consequences,eternal consequences. 

The the rest of the gentile planet goes on, in sin, just like always.  

The trib, the Antichrist, the dragon bound and released, all take place during the time between the 1st, 33 AD, and 2nd resurrection, when Jesus and the OT saints rule the kingdom from heaven.

-----

The Antichrist can only be Caesar and the Bishop of Rome, the image Caesar.

The proof is that the iron nation in the statue of Dan 2, is continuous from 63 BC until Jerusalem was restored in 1967.

Continuous, without a gap, iron to the end of the toes.

That means that the iron can only be Rome, that rules over the children of Israel during that time. 63 BC, continual, until Jerusalem is restored in 1967.

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LOOK what happens right after Jerusalem is restored in the statue of Dan 2. 

The stone strikes, the fire from heaven, the 7th vial, the 7th trumpet.

The stone is about to strike.

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The symbols themselves are not the subject, it is what the symbols represent, that is the subject.

The pretrib, "everything is literal", does not work.

The 7 years/1000 yrs is literal does not work.

The clear answers are found in aligning all prophecy timelines with the Dan 2 and Dan 7 timelines.

 

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3KJV

1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

[truth7t7]

3 hours ago, abcdef said:

Brother 7t7, At least we agree on what you have posted.

Now the question might be, "What happens just before the Rev 20:9 second coming for salvation, the end of life on this planet, in fire?

---

Take a careful look at Rev 20:7-10.

There is no nation present now which is named Magog.

So who, who does Magog symbolize? Exactly who is Magog?

I've heard many ideas about who Magog is. Some Modern texts say Russia, Some older texts say an area in north Iraq.

But this one thing is sure, it is gentile nations.

---

Then look at who these gentile nations are surrounding. It is Jerusalem. This is the LAST thing to happen before Jesus comes at the resur/rapt.

This event is not far away, it is here.

You and I are living in the last days of planet earth, before the resur/rapt and last judgment.

-----

Then you may ask, "What about the mill, the trib, and the Antichrist?

The answer is that all of those things have already taken place. Between the first resurrection in 33 AD, Rev 20:4-6, and our present time.

If you read 1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24, all those things must take place between the first resurrection of Jesus with the OT saints in 33 AD, and the second resur/rapt coming for the kingdom, about to happen.

-----

The true understanding of Rev 20 is brought about by identifying what the symbols mean and how the parallel timelines of other passages fit together with Rev 20.

The parallel timeline of 1 Cor 15:23-28 has already been pointed out.

 But you may also agree that the 7th trumpet and the 7th vial are also parallel to Rev 20:9.

But look, the 7th trumpet and the 7th vial are showing the same events happening just before they take place, that is, gentile armies attack and Jerusalem is surrounded.

The significance of this is that Jerusalem is shown being restored to Israel, and that happened in 1967. So the possibility of all these things coming together right now should alarm us.

-----

The pretrib timeline is wrong. It is NOT, NOT a literal 7 year trib, or 3 1/2 years, or 42 mounts, or 1260 days, or literal 1000 years.

The numbers are symbols of a time of centuries. 

This is proven by Dan. 12:7, where the angel says that it will be 3 1/2 times until Israel is scattered, that was 70 AD. So the time from Babylon until 70 AD was the first 3 1/2 times.

The 2nd 3 1/2 times is from 70 AD until 1967, then Jerusalem was restored, 55 years ago. That event ended the times of the gentiles, the same time period as shown in the statue of Dan 2.

The same time that Jesus spoke about in Lk 21:20-24, 24. The 2nd half of the 7 times of the gentiles.

-------

The promised salvation spiritual kingdom of Israel, began on Pentecost in 33 AD.

This was after the first resurrection of Jesus and the OT saints in 33 AD.

Jesus and the OT saints live and reign, from heaven, over the Pentecost spiritual kingdom of Israel, including some gentiles.

The rod of iron is, love souls like Jesus loves you, and gave His life for you. The rod of iron cannot be broken without consequences, spiritual consequences,eternal consequences. 

The the rest of the gentile planet goes on, in sin, just like always.  

The trib, the Antichrist, the dragon bound and released, all take place during the time between the 1st, 33 AD, and 2nd resurrection, when Jesus and the OT saints rule the kingdom from heaven.

-----

The Antichrist can only be Caesar and the Bishop of Rome, the image Caesar.

The proof is that the iron nation in the statue of Dan 2, is continuous from 63 BC until Jerusalem was restored in 1967.

Continuous, without a gap, iron to the end of the toes.

That means that the iron can only be Rome, that rules over the children of Israel during that time. 63 BC, continual, until Jerusalem is restored in 1967.

------

LOOK what happens right after Jerusalem is restored in the statue of Dan 2. 

The stone strikes, the fire from heaven, the 7th vial, the 7th trumpet.

The stone is about to strike.

-------

The symbols themselves are not the subject, it is what the symbols represent, that is the subject.

The pretrib, "everything is literal", does not work.

The 7 years/1000 yrs is literal does not work.

The clear answers are found in aligning all prophecy timelines with the Dan 2 and Dan 7 timelines.

 

There's Going To Be An End Times Persecution, The Beast And His Kingdom Are The Target Of God's Empowered (Two Witnesses)

The Great Tribulation Will Come Upon The Wicked World, While The (Sealed Church) Is Protected

The (Sealed Church) will be present on earth and protected, when wicked men are tormented 5 months, desiring to die as death flees

All saved believers are (Sealed) by God, Eph 1:13, 4:30

Ephesians 1:13KJV

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30KJV

30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

It Was Commanded, Only Those Without God's Seal Will Be Tormented, The Sealed Church Is Protected

Revelation 9:3-6KJV

3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

Plagues upon The Beast and his Kingdom, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

Revelation 11:3-6

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Revelation 16:1-11KJV

1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.

5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.

6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.

8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.

9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

[truth7t7]

3 hours ago, abcdef said:

Brother 7t7, At least we agree on what you have posted.

Now the question might be, "What happens just before the Rev 20:9 second coming for salvation, the end of life on this planet, in fire?

---

Take a careful look at Rev 20:7-10.

There is no nation present now which is named Magog.

So who, who does Magog symbolize? Exactly who is Magog?

I've heard many ideas about who Magog is. Some Modern texts say Russia, Some older texts say an area in north Iraq.

But this one thing is sure, it is gentile nations.

---

Then look at who these gentile nations are surrounding. It is Jerusalem. This is the LAST thing to happen before Jesus comes at the resur/rapt.

This event is not far away, it is here.

You and I are living in the last days of planet earth, before the resur/rapt and last judgment.

-----

Then you may ask, "What about the mill, the trib, and the Antichrist?

The answer is that all of those things have already taken place. Between the first resurrection in 33 AD, Rev 20:4-6, and our present time.

If you read 1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24, all those things must take place between the first resurrection of Jesus with the OT saints in 33 AD, and the second resur/rapt coming for the kingdom, about to happen.

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The true understanding of Rev 20 is brought about by identifying what the symbols mean and how the parallel timelines of other passages fit together with Rev 20.

The parallel timeline of 1 Cor 15:23-28 has already been pointed out.

 But you may also agree that the 7th trumpet and the 7th vial are also parallel to Rev 20:9.

But look, the 7th trumpet and the 7th vial are showing the same events happening just before they take place, that is, gentile armies attack and Jerusalem is surrounded.

The significance of this is that Jerusalem is shown being restored to Israel, and that happened in 1967. So the possibility of all these things coming together right now should alarm us.

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The pretrib timeline is wrong. It is NOT, NOT a literal 7 year trib, or 3 1/2 years, or 42 mounts, or 1260 days, or literal 1000 years.

The numbers are symbols of a time of centuries. 

This is proven by Dan. 12:7, where the angel says that it will be 3 1/2 times until Israel is scattered, that was 70 AD. So the time from Babylon until 70 AD was the first 3 1/2 times.

The 2nd 3 1/2 times is from 70 AD until 1967, then Jerusalem was restored, 55 years ago. That event ended the times of the gentiles, the same time period as shown in the statue of Dan 2.

The same time that Jesus spoke about in Lk 21:20-24, 24. The 2nd half of the 7 times of the gentiles.

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The promised salvation spiritual kingdom of Israel, began on Pentecost in 33 AD.

This was after the first resurrection of Jesus and the OT saints in 33 AD.

Jesus and the OT saints live and reign, from heaven, over the Pentecost spiritual kingdom of Israel, including some gentiles.

The rod of iron is, love souls like Jesus loves you, and gave His life for you. The rod of iron cannot be broken without consequences, spiritual consequences,eternal consequences. 

The the rest of the gentile planet goes on, in sin, just like always.  

The trib, the Antichrist, the dragon bound and released, all take place during the time between the 1st, 33 AD, and 2nd resurrection, when Jesus and the OT saints rule the kingdom from heaven.

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The Antichrist can only be Caesar and the Bishop of Rome, the image Caesar.

The proof is that the iron nation in the statue of Dan 2, is continuous from 63 BC until Jerusalem was restored in 1967.

Continuous, without a gap, iron to the end of the toes.

That means that the iron can only be Rome, that rules over the children of Israel during that time. 63 BC, continual, until Jerusalem is restored in 1967.

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LOOK what happens right after Jerusalem is restored in the statue of Dan 2. 

The stone strikes, the fire from heaven, the 7th vial, the 7th trumpet.

The stone is about to strike.

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The symbols themselves are not the subject, it is what the symbols represent, that is the subject.

The pretrib, "everything is literal", does not work.

The 7 years/1000 yrs is literal does not work.

The clear answers are found in aligning all prophecy timelines with the Dan 2 and Dan 7 timelines.

 

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

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On 3/11/2023 at 3:48 AM, truth7t7 said:

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3KJV

1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

If you have been taught that 1+1+1 = 3, and then someone comes along and says that 1+1+1 = 11, it is hard to understand how it can be true, but it is true.

It depends on the system you are using to express the number 3.

In the same way, some have been taught that the events of the Revelation (Rev 20) are almost all future, but they are mostly now past.

It depends on the basic system that you are using to understand the symbols and events that are shown.

When the Rev was written, in 96 AD ish, the events shown were then mostly future.

But now, centuries and centuries later, we are in that future that the Rev speaks about.

The understanding of the events shown, have been distorted by those who have learned and accepted one way of interpretation.

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7t7, You have stood apart and seen the truth about the final resurrection and the fire from heaven. You have understood about some passages being parallel timelines and not sequential, as many blindly accept.

Please consider this, that there is more to be reevaluated, to know the truth.

The truth is that we are moments away from the fire from heaven and not centuries.

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Questions that I would like direct answers from you or anyone, on Dan 2.

Try this, who is the iron nation in Dan 2? You may say Rome, ok.

Then ask yourself, who was the leader of that iron nation? You may say Caesar.

(1)But then, who was the leader of the iron nation when the legs divided?

(2)Who was the leader when the toes divided?

(3)Who is the leader of the iron nation when the toes end?

The iron is continual without gaps. 63 BC until 1967.

Then the stone strikes. The fire from heaven, Rev 20. The 7th trumpet and the 7th vial.

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The main thing is this, the statue shows the gentile nations that rule over the children of Israel.

The Revelation is also centered and about the children of Israel and not the planet.

The "church" is the kingdom of Israel and not the gentiles. They become Israel after conversion.

The great trib, 70 AD - 1967, when Israel was scattered among the gentile nations.

The Antichrist is Rome.

The mill period is mainly showing the kingdom of Israel that began on Pentecost in 33 AD, and ends at the fire from heaven.

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Can you answer the 3 questions that I asked you? About the Dan 2 statue?

 I have read the Bible, so don't just post a bunch of scriptures.

Answer in your own words.