They shall look on Him whom they pierced.

[Mr. M]

Are these signs of Christ's coming, or events that we must not be 

"soon shaken by", as the "beginning of sorrows"; i.e. false labor?

Matthew 24:4-8 And Jesus answered and said to them: Take heed that no one deceives you.  For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ, and will deceive many.  And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places.  All these are the beginning of sorrows.

11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many.

24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great

signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 

My impression of this narrative is that the Lord was more 

concerned with avoiding deception than providing signs. 

He then tells us, essentially, you will know when you see me.

27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west,

so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 

Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. 

John 19:37 And again another Scripture says, They shall look on Him whom they pierced.

Revelation 1:7  Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.

[Keras]

Romans 8:19-23 The created universe is waiting with eager expectation for God’s sons to be revealed.  It was His choice to subject all things to mortality and decay, with the eventual goal of His people entering into the glorious liberty of immortality and a renewed creation. Up to the present as we know, the whole of creation, in all its parts, groans as if in the pangs of childbirth. What is more, we also, to whom the Spirit is given as first-fruits of the harvest to come, are inwardly groaning in anticipation of our adoption as children of God and our liberation from mortality.

Isaiah 42:13-15 The Lord has kept silence and restrained Himself for all this age, allowing this world to go its own way. But as the appointed time approaches, He is like a woman in labour, prepared and ready to take action. The Lord will go forth as a warrior, roused to a fury in the heat of battle. He will shout His battle cry and will triumph over His enemies. The land will be laid to waste, all the plants and trees will burn and the streams and lakes will become dry.   Isaiah 63:4, Habakkuk 2:3, Jeremiah 4:23-28

Matthew 24:3-8 Lord; tell us the signs of the end of this age. Jesus replied: Take care that no-one misleads you, for many false Messiahs and teachers will come and many will be fooled by them. The time is coming when you will hear of wars and rumours of wars, for there will be an increase of wars, earthquakes, diseases and famines. All these things are the birth pangs of the new age.   Jeremiah 15:2

 

As Jesus prophesied, there will be wars, earthquakes, diseases and famines at the end of this age. He likened these things to ‘birth pangs’.  When we consider normal childbirth, the labour pangs are separated by periods of relative calm. So if there have been times when clusters of those four disasters have occurred, we can ascertain that time must be very short for this age. Here are the facts:

1/ In 1914-19, World War 1 occurred. There were 7 earthquakes of over 8 magnitude. Smallpox and typhus killed millions, but Spanish flu killed at least 50 million in 1918/19. There were terrible famines in Europe, and Russia.

2/  During 1939-45 there was World War 2 and 8 earthquakes of over 8 magnitude. Typhus again killed millions, in North Africa, in Iran and Europe. Anne Frank died of typhus.       A terrible famine in China killed at least 45 million.

3/ The data suggests that the third ‘birth pang’, commenced in Nov. 11, 2001. Wars and rumours of wars are rife.  It is considered that the global war on terrorism is a world war. There have been more than 20 earthquakes of 8 and two over 9 magnitude. Diseases such as cancer, AIDs and Covid are of epidemic proportions. Crop failures due to unusual weather and wars result in famines in Asia, Ukraine and Africa.

 

But the last, most shocking and devastating event of the third birth pang, will be the great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath.  This will be the many prophesied ‘fire from heaven’ that describes a huge Coronal Mass Ejection sunstrike, will affect the whole world, killing probably billions.  This will enable two things; the establishment of a One World Government and the re-settling of the Lord’s faithful people into all of the holy Land.  The time gap of the Seventh Seal, Revelation 8:1, [1/2 hour in Heaven = 20 years on earth] from this CME until the Great Tribulation is prophesied as a time of peace and prosperity. After the G.T. Jesus will Return for His Millennial reign. 

4/ The fourth and final ‘birth pang’, will be the Great Tribulation, so vividly described in Revelation, but ending with the Return of Jesus and the start of the Millennial era.

                                                                   

[Mr. M]

10 minutes ago, Keras said:

When we consider normal childbirth, the labour pangs are separated by periods of relative calm.

 

11 minutes ago, Keras said:

3/ The data suggests that the third ‘birth pang’, commenced in Nov. 11, 2001. Wars and rumours of wars are rife.  It is considered that the global war on terrorism is a world war. There have been more than 20 earthquakes of 8 and two over 9 magnitude. Diseases such as cancer, AIDs and Covid are of epidemic proportions. Crop failures due to unusual weather and wars result in famines in Asia, Ukraine and Africa.

So we should anticipate a time of relative calm to come after a devastating WW3?

Luke 17:

26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 

27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day

that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 

28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought,

they sold, they planted, they built; 

29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven

and destroyed them all. 

30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.

[Revelation Man]

On 4/3/2023 at 11:37 AM, Mr. M said:

My impression of this narrative is that the Lord was more 

concerned with avoiding deception than providing signs. 

He then tells us, essentially, you will know when you see me.

27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west,

so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 

You are on to it via Matt. 24:4-14, literally no one picks this up, they just assume that verses 4-14 are about the 70th week, or events leading up to the 70th week, and the 70th week, both are wrong assumptions, Jesus is literally speaking only to his disciples in verse 4-14, to give them knowledge of what they must do to avoid death, AND what they must do when death comes via being Martyrs. BUT WHY? 

If the Church is to be grown it needed its leaders, and it did not need its leaders going to Jerusalem to fight when Jesus "supposedly returned" else not only would the Disciples have returned to fight for their Lord, but so would all of the fledgling new church members, and thus 70 AD could have been the death knell of the church. So, Jesus needed to forewarn them not to be deceived, that 70 AD was not his Second Coming, that is why he told the disciples in verse 6 the end will be by & by or much later on, so the Birth Pang Sorrows is only mentioned in passing to demonstrate how much further down the road "THE END" is, so they will know that 70 AD is not the end, even though the Pharisees put forth men they claimed were the Messiah, this is a known fact. This fulfilled John 5:43, Jesus told the Pharisees, I came from the Father and you reject me, but if another comes in his own name (as the Messiah in 70 AD) him you will accept. Knowing this, we can now understand verses 4-6 were about 70 AD and Jesus basically telling his Disciples when YOU (Disciples) hear of Wars and Rumors of Wars (thus it could only be 70 AD........he says YOU/Disciples) do not be deceived, many will come in my name (not as Jesus, but as the Messiah in their own name) Thus these passages now make sense.

Jesus is teaching about the temple and its coming Destruction in verses 4-6 after the Disciples 3 questions

Matt. 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down(70 AD event, of course).

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be?(70 AD destruction of temple) and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

4 And Jesus answered(Question 1 deals with verses 4-6 mainly,  but goes all the way to verse 14 also) and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you(YOU = his Disciples in the first century).

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ(see, not Yeshuah/Jesus but the Messiah); and shall deceive many(the Pharisees and those who fought with them in 70 AD).

6 And ye(Disciples) shall hear of wars and rumours of wars(70 AD events): see that ye(Disciples) be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet(Jesus lets his Disciples know the end is on down the road, he meant, that person saying he is the Messiah in 70 AD "WILL NOT be me", then to prove this he tells of the many Earthquakes, Famines, Wars, and Pestilence that has to come before the 70th week can come, this bit is just thrown in as a Descriptor to prove 70 AD is not the End Times, and that is much, much later on AFTER all this.)

So, people actually think the above is the end time Anti-Christ, its not, it is the 70 AD messianic types the Pharisees and Scribes put forth to save them from the Fourth Beast/Rome. To prove this was not the end, Jesus dangles a host of things that have to happen before the end comes, but not as a sign so to speak, but as a warning that his disciples end is really not that near. It is much, much later on, the signs of that end time will not be mistaken, like a women giving birth those end time signs will get more and more frequent. That is not 70 AD, thus the Disciples knew 70 AD was not the 2nd coming.

Jesus then goes into other warnings to his Disciples, telling them in verse 10 they will be hated and killed because of Jesus name, by FALSE PROPHETS, not False Christians as many assume, nor in the END TIMES, which is later on, but by the Zeus, Jupiter type who complained to Rome that the Christians were stealing all of their patrons away, thus Rome killed the Disciples, and started killing Church members. That is what Matt. 24:9-11 means. Jesus forewarns them about their coming deaths, which happens years later, in order to get them prepared to make that sacrifice, thus he says you must endure until then end [of ones life]. Jesus is not talking about the Disciples being in the END TIMES here, he is just speaking about them running the full race as Paul called it so they did not end up like Judas. Then in verse 14 Jesus gives his Disciples a FOOL PROOF understanding of when he was coming, he says when the Gospel is preached unto every nation, then THE END (70th week) will come, the Disciples knew of China, India, the Scythians (modern day Russia) so they knew 100 percent Jesus would not return in their lifetimes, so Jesus had given them all of the direction they needed to know they would never see Jesus' 2nd coming, therefore they knew better than to rush back to Jerusalem in 70 AD when they heard of false christs (messiahs), thus they would not put the fledgling church in peril, and they also knew they would be killed and would have to endure that injustice just like their Lord Jesus did.

Verses 4-14 are all about the Disciples, verses 7-8 is only Jesus Demonstrating the END is not near at all.

Verses 15-31 is about the 70th week. You are pretty spot on in your observance. 

Edited April 4, 2023 by Revelation Man

[Keras]

16 hours ago, Mr. M said:

So we should anticipate a time of relative calm to come after a devastating WW3?

Firstly; there will be no World War 3.  As Ezekiel 7:14 says: The Lord will destroy all military preparations. Isaiah 66:15-17, +

Before this though, yes: there will be a short time of relative calm. As is Prophesied in 1 Thessalonians 5:3

Luke 21:25-27 & 34-36, is all unfulfilled Prophecy, soon to take place and it is all BEFORE the 70th 'week;. 

[Mr. M]

17 hours ago, Keras said:

3/ The data suggests that the third ‘birth pang’, commenced in Nov. 11, 2001. Wars and rumours of wars are rife.  It is considered that the global war on terrorism is a world war. There have been more than 20 earthquakes of 8 and two over 9 magnitude. Diseases such as cancer, AIDs and Covid are of epidemic proportions. Crop failures due to unusual weather and wars result in famines in Asia, Ukraine and Africa.

 

32 minutes ago, Keras said:

Firstly; there will be no World War 3.

Just going by what you posted. As to magnitude 8/9 earthquakes, these are recurring phenomenon based on 11 year solar cycles, so what? 

17 hours ago, Keras said:

But the last, most shocking and devastating event of the third birth pang, will be the great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath.  This will be the many prophesied ‘fire from heaven’ that describes a huge Coronal Mass Ejection sunstrike, will affect the whole world, killing probably billions.  

So if you are actually responding to my post, which you have not at this point, how do you go from, not a CME, which is bad enough , to a HUGE one, causing global collapse and the death of "billions', how then do you get to Luke 17, and people eating and drinking, and getting married? What exactly do you think people will be eating in this "time of Noah"?

17 hours ago, Keras said:

[1/2 hour in Heaven = 20 years on earth] from this CME until the Great Tribulation

So you are saying 20 years will be enough to go from total devastation of the earth's ecosystem, to things being as "the time of Lot", before the unexpected. What you are saying doesn't gibe with what scientists who are proponents of these global events and their outcome. And why are you so determined to incorporate chicken little catastrophe models into your eschatology. There are only two Biblical global events, judgment by water, and by fire at the end of the age, or are you equating "the breathe of the Lord" to a CME?

Edited April 4, 2023 by Mr. M
cosmetic, added text.

[Keras]

Sorry Mr M, but I cannot detail all the forthcoming events here, read and understand the Book yourself. 

However, as most people have already decided what they want the Lord to do, nothing I can say changes their beliefs. 

I have written the Biblically correct sequence of events on my free website; logostelos.info

Note; that it would take a Coronal Mass ejection of a magnitude often seen, but not yet directed earthward, to hit the earth and cause the devastation and deaths as prophesied.   Astro-scientists warn that this is very likely to happen.

Be ready to do as the Prophets say: Call upon the Name of the Lord and you will be saved. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21, Romans 10:13

[Mr. M]

4 hours ago, Keras said:

Sorry Mr M, but I cannot detail all the forthcoming events here, read and understand the Book yourself. 

However, as most people have already decided what they want the Lord to do, nothing I can say changes their beliefs. 

I have written the Biblically correct sequence of events on my free website; logostelos.info

Note; that it would take a Coronal Mass ejection of a magnitude often seen, but not yet directed earthward, to hit the earth and cause the devastation and deaths as prophesied.   Astro-scientists warn that this is very likely to happen.

Be ready to do as the Prophets say: Call upon the Name of the Lord and you will be saved. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21, Romans 10:13

Read what book myself? You don't have time to respond to the can of worms you opened on my thread, but you do have time to engage in the self-promotion of your Biblically correct website. So let me explain to you how the "astro scientist prediction" that can cause the devastation they describe to the earth is unsupported by the scriptures.

Genesis 8:

Then the Lord said in His heart, “I will never again curse the ground for man’s sake, although the imagination of man’s heart is evil from his youth; nor will I again destroy every living thing as I have done.

22 While the earth remains,
Seed time and harvest,
Cold and heat,
Winter and summer,
And day and night
Shall not cease.”

Your astro scientist's theories can be neatly placed where the light

doesn't shine, the darkened hearts of men who know not God.

Biblically correct? Not even scientifically correct.

Edited April 5, 2023 by Mr. M