Are GODS ELECT truly those REJECTING Him today?

[Shilohsfoal]

6 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

And when have I said any different?  

 5 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Well,I just quoted verses showing christians in Israel when the second beast arrives in Israel.That is the beginning of the 42 months tribulation which takes place in Israel.

Mathew 10:23

When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

 

While the saints in Israel are being  persecuted throughout the towns of Israel,the christians in America and Europe will be complaining the price of gas is to high.

 

AGAIN, THE WHOLE WORLD will be deceived.  THAT is why the GOSPEL has to go out to ALL THE WORLD.  And I am not saying there are no Christians in Israel, just saying according to the PTRD THEY WOULDN'T BE THERE after the rapture, if it was in fact pre trib. 



You do realize that Jesus died rose and RETURNED 2000 years ago, as the Son of Man, The Christ 
before the Word had SPREAD through all the towns of Israel, right? 

Or else PAULS ministry would have gone in a different way.  



Are you saying these verses ARE SPEAKING TO the FUTURE coming of the LORD OF LORDS AND KING OF KINGS?  

[DeighAnn]

2 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

 5 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Well,I just quoted verses showing christians in Israel when the second beast arrives in Israel.That is the beginning of the 42 months tribulation which takes place in Israel.

Mathew 10:23

When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

 

While the saints in Israel are being  persecuted throughout the towns of Israel,the christians in America and Europe will be complaining the price of gas is to high.

 

AGAIN, THE WHOLE WORLD will be deceived.  THAT is why the GOSPEL has to go out to ALL THE WORLD.  And I am not saying there are no Christians in Israel, just saying according to the PTRD THEY WOULDN'T BE THERE after the rapture, if it was in fact pre trib. 



You do realize that Jesus died rose and RETURNED 2000 years ago, as the Son of Man, The Christ 
before the Word had SPREAD through all the towns of Israel, right? 

Or else PAULS ministry would have gone in a different way.  



Are you saying these verses ARE SPEAKING TO the FUTURE coming of the LORD OF LORDS AND KING OF KINGS?  

 

John 14

16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

19Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

20At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

22Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?

23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

25These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.

26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

27Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

28Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

29And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.

30Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

31But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.



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1The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

2Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.

3Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre.

4So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.

5And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in.

6Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,

7And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.

8Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.

9For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.

10Then the disciples went away again unto their own home.

11But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre,

12And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.

13And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him.

14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.

15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.

16Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.

17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

18Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.

19Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

20And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.

21Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

22And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

23Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.


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1After these things Jesus shewed himself again to the disciples at the sea of Tiberias; and on this wise shewed he himself.

2There were together Simon Peter, and Thomas called Didymus, and Nathanael of Cana in Galilee, and the sons of Zebedee, and two other of his disciples.

3Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing. They say unto him, We also go with thee. They went forth, and entered into a ship immediately; and that night they caught nothing.

4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: but the disciples knew not that it was Jesus.

5Then Jesus saith unto them, Children, have ye any meat? They answered him, No.

6And he said unto them, Cast the net on the right side of the ship, and ye shall find. They cast therefore, and now they were not able to draw it for the multitude of fishes.

7Therefore that disciple whom Jesus loved saith unto Peter, It is the Lord. Now when Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he girt his fisher's coat unto him, (for he was naked,) and did cast himself into the sea.

8And the other disciples came in a little ship; (for they were not far from land, but as it were two hundred cubits,) dragging the net with fishes.

9As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a fire of coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread.

10Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now caught.

11Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so many, yet was not the net broken.

12Jesus saith unto them, Come and dine. And none of the disciples durst ask him, Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord.

13Jesus then cometh, and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish likewise.

14This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his disciples, after that he was risen from the dead.

 

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[Shilohsfoal]

None of which has anything to do with the persecution of the saints in this verse.

 

Mathew 10:23

When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

 

You wanted verses showing the saints being persecuted in Israel during the tribulation. Thats just one of many.Your not going to find any verses about Christians being persecuted outside Israel before Christ comes.

[farouk]

2 hours ago, believeinHim said:

I have tried to make friends with people who say they work on a farm, I am always rejected by these people. I am disabled and on disability and heavy sedatives, If I can't get my medication or disability, I am up a creek without a paddle. 

I do keep extras of my medications around, But to store up for 3 1/2 years would be almost impossible, And it would go slowly as I have to take most of the doses most days anyway.

I do not, at least I would like to think I won't be here for the tribulation, But that doesn't mean that I won't be here for a famine, or for a virus, or for any other kind of human atrocities and crimes against humanity...............,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

I am reliant on the government system for my medications. I mean, I can stock up on things like melatonin and Benadryl, But those don't really work for me on their own, And mixing those two together is suggested not. I do not suggest mixing those two together, In fact just don't do it. Loll. 

I could stock up on things like relaxium sleep, But I don't know if there is a counter indication with my other medications for thyroid. I could stock up on Brazil nuts, for my thyroid, But I don't know if that actually works. I am also on a feminine medication, no not that kind of feminine medication, But I am on a special medication for a feminine issue...............,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

What do people with severe illnesses, Who need their medications supposed to do ? Stop taking them ? Get psychotic and recycle through the system, In where they would probably force a chip on to you in the hospital ? I really don't know.

If there is an alternative to my illness and medications, Then I haven't found it yet. I would need to be a homeopathic doctor and know what to prescribe for myself, And from what I hear, That is not an option for me. My illness is too severe.

Howie Mandell has talked about Depression and Anxiety, and being on medications. I don't have depression, I have manic depression, And leanings towards mania, And when I am medicated, That's when the wheels start spinning and I start leaning towards the depressive side. Side note, Mania feels like nothing, And depression feels like everything. Side note,...............,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Side note, Mania feels like nothing, And depression feels like everything,...............,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Do you think God would leave His disabled, and more vulnerable children to the tribulation because they need more than just food and water ? Etc,...............,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 

Hi @believeinHim I love the text -grasped by faith - in Philippians 4.13: "My God shall supply all your need according to His riches in glory by Christ Jesus".

Some ppl don't see their provision by the eye of faith, but the believer indeed can, wonderfully, by God's grace.

 

[DeighAnn]

1 minute ago, Shilohsfoal said:

None of which has anything to do with the persecution of the saints in this verse.

 

Mathew 10:23

When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

 

You wanted verses showing the saints being persecuted in Israel during the tribulation. Thats just one of many.Your not going to find any verses about Christians being persecuted outside Israel before Christ comes.

 

Why would it matter WHERE OR WHEN Christians are persecuted?   

SAINTS have been/are PERSECUTED everywhere all the time and always will be until Christ returns.  

SHEEP LED TO THE SLAUGHTER.


I have NO IDEA what you are trying to say, so PLEASE just make your point.  

[farouk]

8 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Why would it matter WHERE OR WHEN Christians are persecuted?   

SAINTS have been/are PERSECUTED everywhere all the time and always will be until Christ returns.  

SHEEP LED TO THE SLAUGHTER.


I have NO IDEA what you are trying to say, so PLEASE just make your point.  

Sometimes it's hard to follow the train of thought in a thread........

[Shilohsfoal]

13 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Why would it matter WHERE OR WHEN Christians are persecuted?   

SAINTS have been/are PERSECUTED everywhere all the time and always will be until Christ returns.  

SHEEP LED TO THE SLAUGHTER.


I have NO IDEA what you are trying to say, so PLEASE just make your point.  

Pre tribes say they won't be persecuted because they won't be here.They are right about one thing.They won't be persecuted,but they will still be here.

Fact is,the persecution of the saints takes place in Israel.Not the world as many claim.The first beast is already in the land of israel and will soon be accompanied by the second beast.

From the news I've been reading,I'd say a couple more years and the first beast will need the help.

Edited May 1, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[DeighAnn]

1 minute ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Pre tribes say they won't be persecuted because they won't be here.They are right about one thing.They won't be persecuted,but they will still be here.

Fact is,the persecution of the saints takes place in Israel.Not the world as many claim.The first beast is already there and will soon be accompanied by the second beast.

From the news I've been reading,I'd say a couple more years and he will need help.

And where do you get that FACT from?   And how does that fit in with the Promises made to Abraham, Isaac and Israel?  Doesn't that make VOID the covenants made with them?   When were those covenants made void?  





So all the talk about the whole world being deceived is a lie?  

 

[DeighAnn]

6 minutes ago, farouk said:

Sometimes it's hard to follow the train of thought in a thread........

Yes, I can presently FEEL that sentiment..

[Shilohsfoal]

Just now, DeighAnn said:

And where do you get that FACT from?   And how does that fit in with the Promises made to Abraham, Isaac and Israel?  Doesn't that make VOID the covenants made with them?   When were those covenants made void?  





So all the talk about the whole world being deceived is a lie?  

 

Abraham never received the promise made to him concerning the promised land.

He doesn't recieve the land of Canaan till after Christ has come and the beast in the promised land is destroyed.