JohnD Posted May 3, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 908 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,653 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,837 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted May 3, 2023 How can I prove that Jesus was not the Messiah? Answer: Ignore the Tanakh and listen only to what Jesus haters teach. For if you do not put Yeshua Jesus at the heart of the entire Tanakh, you relegate the Tanakh to a past history book about a God who ceased interacting with his chosen people almost 2500 years ago. The cessation of Temple sacrifice in 70 CE and diaspora until 1948 CE indicate the Jewish people missed a crucial turning point in their ongoing relationship with the Almighty… Jeremiah 31:31–34 (KJV) 31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. And the coming of Yeshua Jesus (Daniel 9:24–26) and his sacrifice (Isaiah 52:13 - 53:12) paved the way for that New Covenant. He is the Covenant bearer of the New Covenant as Moses was the covenant bearer of the Old (Deuteronomy 18:15–18). And the Jews rejecting Yeshua Jesus defeats God’s purpose for them. The time of regathering since 1948 CE is a prophetic second chance for Israel. Understand, God loves the Jewish people (even in their unbelief of God’s Son their King). He preserves them as a people and has done so since the days of Abraham. But that’s only for this life. The afterlife is another matter entirely. Until the rejection of Yeshua Jesus, those (like Abraham) who were faithful to the amount of God’s revelation they had at the time of their lives, were counted as saved (see Luke 16:19–31) and were delivered to heaven from the temporary abode (often called Abraham’s bosom) the day Yeshua Jesus died on the cross (Ephesians 4:8–10 / Luke 23:43). And are in heaven to this hour as disembodied spirits (2 Corinthians 5:8) which we (who believe in Yeshua Jesus) will also be in our death till the general resurrection (Revelation 20:5–6) when every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Yeshua Jesus is YHVH LORD to the glory of Elohiym Abba God the Father (Philippians 2:10–11). Those who believed in Yeshua Jesus in this life will be eternally saved. Those who did not believe will not be saved. John 3:16–18 (KJV) 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted May 3, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 775 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,950 Content Per Day: 3.05 Reputation: 1,984 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted May 3, 2023 At the fullness of gentile God Will return the mandate of witnessing Gospel Salvation to the 144000 Hebrew and the 2 Witnesses Will lead them. Not to the modern Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted May 3, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 958 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,682 Content Per Day: 5.04 Reputation: 9,094 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted May 3, 2023 2 hours ago, JohnD said: Answer: Ignore the Tanakh and listen only to what Jesus haters teach. Well that response will certainly kill any such conversation in a hurry. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah7 Posted May 3, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,610 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 3,182 Days Won: 11 Joined: 05/25/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted May 3, 2023 9 minutes ago, Neighbor said: Well that response will certainly kill any such conversation in a hurry. For sure, innit? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiveWire Posted May 3, 2023 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 392 Content Per Day: 0.98 Reputation: 139 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/06/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted May 3, 2023 Since we are at an age and time in the era of technology, had we all gone back to the 1917 Version of the Tanakh, when there was literally only One Version of the Tanakh and used in ALL Synagogue's of the world... I think some of these discussions would be much different. For one, if everyone is using the 1917 Version, then everyone is getting the exact "same" translation. But I have noticed, out of the 5 and others available Tanakh's, only the Version that a certain member here on these forums uses, is the "only one" that does not use exact wording as the 1917 Tanakh. And that particular Version is the last one to be introduced to the Collection of Tanakh's, it's the newbie of the group, the Chabad Tanakh, not completely accurate as the other Versions who read similar to the 1917 Version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted May 3, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 958 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,682 Content Per Day: 5.04 Reputation: 9,094 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted May 3, 2023 55 minutes ago, Slibhin said: What are you talking about? .... Is there an angel in the roadway ahead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vine Abider Posted May 3, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 6 Topic Count: 203 Topics Per Day: 0.36 Content Count: 3,476 Content Per Day: 6.16 Reputation: 2,326 Days Won: 3 Joined: 10/25/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/2024 Share Posted May 3, 2023 17 minutes ago, Slibhin said: It's a picture of me without my make-up. And here I thought it was Balaam's talking donkey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOrangeCat Posted May 3, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 57 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,414 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 1,836 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/24/2009 Status: Online Share Posted May 3, 2023 3 hours ago, LiveWire said: Since we are at an age and time in the era of technology, had we all gone back to the 1917 Version of the Tanakh, when there was literally only One Version of the Tanakh and used in ALL Synagogue's of the world... I think some of these discussions would be much different. For one, if everyone is using the 1917 Version, then everyone is getting the exact "same" translation. But I have noticed, out of the 5 and others available Tanakh's, only the Version that a certain member here on these forums uses, is the "only one" that does not use exact wording as the 1917 Tanakh. And that particular Version is the last one to be introduced to the Collection of Tanakh's, it's the newbie of the group, the Chabad Tanakh, not completely accurate as the other Versions who read similar to the 1917 Version. For clarity, do you mean the Hebrew version or an English translation of it? I assume you mean a translation but checking to be sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOrangeCat Posted May 3, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 57 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,414 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 1,836 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/24/2009 Status: Online Share Posted May 3, 2023 23 minutes ago, Slibhin said: It's a picture of me without my make-up. I'm impressed. I have dark circles under my eyes. I've never seen anyone accomplish light circles before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiveWire Posted May 3, 2023 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 392 Content Per Day: 0.98 Reputation: 139 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/06/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted May 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Slibhin said: What are you talking about? Every synagogue has a Torah scroll written in Hebrew. Scrolls are copied by hand and meticulously checked to be free of error. If you compare a Torah scroll today with ancient ones such as the dead sea scrolls they are identical. This is because of very strict rules on copying to prevent errors creeping, as altering G-d's word is a serious sin. I know! My post was about the 1917 Version of the Torah/Tanakh before the world of internet and Google Search and the many online Versions of the Torah/Tanakh. Nothing I mentioned should have brought forth such a reaction. I think You misunderstood me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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