The Sinners Eat Mouse Behind a Tree? Blech!~

[ChristB4us]

The utter depths of the depravation and the corruption of man in seeking sanctification by their own wicked works.  YUCK!!!

Isaiah 66:16 For by fire and by his sword will the Lord plead with all flesh: and the slain of the Lord shall be many.

17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.

18 For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.

If any one has any comment or wisdom from the Lord in righty dividing the word of truth here, feel free to do so.

Maybe I am not reading this right but I do not see how I could be wrong about what the sinners were doing that the Lord was judging them for.

[Who me]

18 hours ago, ChristB4us said:

The utter depths of the depravation and the corruption of man in seeking sanctification by their own wicked works.  YUCK!!!

Isaiah 66:16 For by fire and by his sword will the Lord plead with all flesh: and the slain of the Lord shall be many.

17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.

18 For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.

If any one has any comment or wisdom from the Lord in righty dividing the word of truth here, feel free to do so.

Maybe I am not reading this right but I do not see how I could be wrong about what the sinners were doing that the Lord was judging them for.

 

Your friend here are two on line bible resources.

Bible gateway and bible hub, they will enable you to read any ' questionable ' verse in multiple translations on the same web page, thus helping ones understanding of that verse.

 

Here the translators chapter heading gives you a  clue.

God will judge all who do not live up to his standard, as the bible says All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God, so judgement is to be expected, yet there is also hope for those who are humble and contrite.

 

how can someone santify themselves and at the same time eat food that is unclean, it shows how far from God those who think they can live as they please are.

[ChristB4us]

2 hours ago, Who me said:

Your friend here are two on line bible resources.

Bible gateway and bible hub, they will enable you to read any ' questionable ' verse in multiple translations on the same web page, thus helping ones understanding of that verse.

 

Here the translators chapter heading gives you a  clue.

God will judge all who do not live up to his standard, as the bible says All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God, so judgement is to be expected, yet there is also hope for those who are humble and contrite.

 

how can someone santify themselves and at the same time eat food that is unclean, it shows how far from God those who think they can live as they please are.

Yes, they can give a clue;  even Strong's Concordance but we are to rely on the Lord for the proving of such clues.

Like the Greek word "Gehenna" from which the English word "hell" has been translated from.  Strong's Concordance has offered a different definition within that definition of a place outside of Jerusalem as a refuse dump and also as the valley of slaughter per Jeremiah 7:32-33 KJV, but Strong's concordance has added it as also referring to the afterlife hell which is wrong to apply.

Matthew 10:28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.  KJV

Now the contention here is that both soul and body are being destroyed in this hell for any one that denies Him in order to save their own lives and so they assume the afterlife, but no.  Jesus said that word as referring to a place of judgment on earth.

There are 2 kinds of vessels in the kingdom of Heaven;  the vessels unto honor which are the vessels of gold and silver, and the vessels unto dishonor which are the vessels of wood and earth per 2 Timothy 2:20 KJV and those that depart from iniquity before the Bridegroom comes are the vessels unto honor 2 Timothy 2:21 KJV.

So add Matthew 7:21-23 KJV & Luke 13:24-30 KJV in how the Lord profess unto them that did works in His name as never knowing them because they were workers of iniquity Titus 1:16 KJV for why He is denying them even though He still abides in them per 2 Timothy 2:11-13 KJV in leaving them behind with the unbelievers per Luke 12:40-49 KJV as that fire is being sent on the third of the earth;  Revelation 8:7 KJV & Luke 17:26-37 KJV

The counter point to that contention about the soul and body being destroyed in hell as in that afterlife is rather in that valley of slaughter is where those saints that get left behind,  as their the soul's initial inheritance of being that vessel of gold and silver in His House is destroyed in being damned as that vessels of dishonor, thus becoming that vessels of wood and earth.

Jesus is citing a warning to believers that do not heed His words but engage in iniquity that they can be cast off, as in left behind for that hell that is coming on earth for why we are to be always ready to go and willing to go too by His grace & by His help.

Anyway, thank you for sharing that bit of info regarding those Bible sites, but I wanted to share with you that even there and in Strong's Concordance, we have to prove everything with the Lord Jesus Christ as some believers will apply Matthew 10:28 wrongly by saying believers can lose their salvation when in truth, they are in danger of losing their first inheritance like the prodigal son.

The prodigal son may have lost his first inheritance to wild living, but he will find that he is still son.  Course if any believer departs from iniquity by His grace & by His help before the Bridegroom comes, they shall be received as vessels unto honor in His House.

[Who me]

4 hours ago, ChristB4us said:

we have to prove everything with the Lord Jesus Christ

We especially  have to prove our ideas against the bible and against those Christians who have proved themselves to be faithful  servants of God.

 

In being suspicious  of what other Christians have written over the years, articles tested and approved  by other Christians, one is I  danger of constantly re inventing the wheel.

 

How do you know that William Tyndale was a faithful  Christian doing God's work in translating the Bible into English.

Have you tested it?

Where do you stop testing everything?

[ChristB4us]

10 minutes ago, Who me said:

We especially  have to prove our ideas against the bible and against those Christians who have proved themselves to be faithful  servants of God.

In being suspicious  of what other Christians have written over the years, articles tested and approved  by other Christians, one is I  danger of constantly re inventing the wheel.

How do you know that William Tyndale was a faithful  Christian doing God's work in translating the Bible into English.

Have you tested it?

Where do you stop testing everything?

We never stop testing with the Lord Jesus Christ as we are to prove all things by Him.

Even some KJV Bible has an errant footnote saying the behemoth was an elephant or a hippo or an alligator when it is a dinosaur as described in Job 40th chapter.

Tyndale was executed for translating the Bible into English.  I suspect it was for coining Easter for the Hebrew word "pasach" which is usually left untranslated, but Tyndale had translated it into English word "Passover" for the Old Testament and "Easter' for the N.T.  I suspect his using Easter to mean the same as the Passover was probably got him in trouble.

Course Luther did the same thing for the German bible with ester as Easter in the N.T.  He even went further to signify the lamb sacrifice form "pasach" by having it written as the "esterlamb".

I am not sure if Luther had coined this first for why Tyndale did that or the other way around or if it was just a coincidence.

But you are right in that we are to prove everything with the Lord Jesus Christ, trusting Him as our Good shepherd & Friend to help us to do so for abiding in Hi & His words in truth.

[BibleWords]

4 hours ago, ChristB4us said:

He still abides in them per 2 Timothy 2:11-13 KJV in leaving them behind with the unbelievers per Luke 12:40-49 KJV as that fire is being sent on the third of the earth;  Revelation 8:7 KJV & Luke 17:26-37 KJV

Sounds like the partial rapture theory.

Is that what you’re saying?

[ChristB4us]

1 hour ago, BibleWords said:

Sounds like the partial rapture theory.

Is that what you’re saying?

Well, I am not sure what entails in that partial rapture theory "officially", but I believe God is judging His House first at the pre great tribulation rapture event and so those abiding in Him and willing to go shall be received by Him as that vessel unto honor in His House, vessels of gold and silver, whereas those found in iniquity, will be left behind to die, but their spirits will be with the Lord in Heaven to await for their resurrection after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor in His House, vessels of wood and earth.

If that fully applies to what the partial rapture is, then so be it.  It is not a works salvation because those saints left behind are still saved when you consider how God will judge each believer by what he has built on that foundation whereas if any ne defiles the temple of God, him God will destroy; that is his physical body with death but the spirit is saved per verse 15. 1 Corinthians 3:10-17 KJV

The works on that foundation are burned up but the foundation as in that salvation laid by Jesus Christ, remains as that seal of adoption does for that indwelling holy Spirit is not going any where, but not every one will partake of the firstfruits of the resurrection.

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

[Who me]

On 5/11/2023 at 5:47 PM, ChristB4us said:

Tyndale was executed for translating the Bible into English.  I suspect it was for coining Easter for the Hebrew word "pasach"

Tyndall execution had nothing to do with ' easter ' and 3verything to do with his translation of the bible into English.

At that time it was against the law to do so and was punishable by death.

But the primary reason for his exception was the fact that he was no longer a roman Catholic.

[ChristB4us]

On 5/15/2023 at 5:38 AM, Who me said:

Tyndall execution had nothing to do with ' easter ' and 3verything to do with his translation of the bible into English.

At that time it was against the law to do so and was punishable by death.

But the primary reason for his exception was the fact that he was no longer a roman Catholic.

By the way, my recollection is wrong because the Hebrew word is "pascha" rather than "pasach".

I searched for that reason you had stated about him no longer being a Romans Catholic but could not find it yet, but I did note that in addition to violating the prohibition to translate the Bible into English, he was accused of being a heretic for translating the Greek word "ekklesia" into "assembly" rather than church.  "Sort of" confirms the extra charge for also translating Pascha to Easter for the N.T. as I am sure they had other "evidence" for charging him for heresy.

As I cannot find that article commenting on this charge for translating the Bible into English but touched lightly on using Easter instead of Passover ( which he had first coined the word Passover from the Hebrew word "pascha" for the Old Testament which also kind of makes you wonder why he did not do the same for the N.T. also unless mayhap that German Bible by Luthor had influenced him? Or was it the other way around?  ) we will know the whole truth some day for why he was executed.

 

[Who me]

On 5/26/2023 at 2:36 PM, ChristB4us said:

we will know the whole truth some day for why he was executed.

 

We know why he was executed.

He like all the reformers had spent time studying  the bible and comparing  it to the roman Catholic doctrine they were taught in the universities  they had studied  in.

They all rejected the rcc doctrines of transubstansiation, purgatory, adoration of Mary, worship of images, prayer  to saints etc etc etc.

All of them when arrested spent time in prison, in a written dialogue  with there accuser.

This was not to demonstrate their innocence  or biblical accuracy of their beliefs,  but to gain compromising statements in their hand writing to prove conclusively they were heretics,  sealing there fate.