The Nation of Israel - Sign of the Fig Tree

[Your closest friendnt]

Just now, JasperWalls11 said:

Are you saying that verse 12 is a prophecy about the Church age? 

It is time to admit that the believers in the Christ Jesus who died for their sins are those who are his children, those who are his...

This is what Esaiah 12 demonstrates...Jesus the Christ of God with his children...

What the term "the church age has to do?  

Do you want to include in Jesus Christ only those who believe in him and are still living...how about when they are done with their earthly body....are they stopped being his children?  

Verse 12 it shows that Jesus in the earlier verses died alone and without anyone "who can tell his generation...because he died without having any children and he was raised from the dead with children...

It also shows that not everyone believed in him...that he was not raised from the dead with all the dead people but only with those who were justified by his blood....

 

[Your closest friendnt]

@JasperWalls11

Nice to discuss with you,  but here where I am in north America Eastern time is 4 am..

 

Edited May 31, 2023 by Your closest friendnt

[JasperWalls11]

6 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

It is time to admit that the believers in the Christ Jesus who died for their sins are those who are his children, those who are his...

This is what Esaiah 12 demonstrates...Jesus the Christ of God with his children...

What the term "the church age has to do?  

Do you want to include in Jesus Christ only those who believe in him and are still living...how about when they are done with their earthly body....are they stopped being his children?  

Verse 12 it shows that Jesus in the earlier verses died alone and without anyone "who can tell his generation...because he died without having any children and he was raised from the dead with children...

It also shows that not everyone believed in him...that he was not raised from the dead with all the dead people but only with those who were justified by his blood....

 

LOL, I really don't see what you are getting at.  Maybe you don't understand the point I am making because your responses are hard to understand.  I think we may be having two different discussions.  Anyway, I am done with this discussion.  I don't think it is possible to move forward with you on this topic.   So I am done discussing this with you.  Have a nice day.  God bless 

[JohnD]

Hosea 9:10 (KJV)

I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.

• grapes (of wrath whose blood produces the wine for salvation)
• in the wilderness (of unbelief)
• the fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time (the remnant who abided by God's progressive revelation)

Mark 11:12–14 (KJV)
12 And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry:
13 And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet.
14 And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it.

Does a fig tree produce fruit before leaves?

Until the plant becomes mature and slows down in the production of leaves and shoots, it will produce few to no fruit. It may take a year or two more for your tree to slowly and gradually switch from producing mostly leaves and shoots to producing and maturing some fruit.

Jesus looked for this maturity in Israel and found none. More specifically, Jesus sought those who realized the purpose of Torah (to produce Grace through faith which was present since the fathers) and found none. Only religion. Fig leaves.

Man's first act of religion was to make an apron of fig leaves to hide his sin (Genesis 3:7) which was and is inadequate. God then clothed them with the skin of a dead (sacrificial) animal. ← the actual deutero-evangelium  

Israel produced only religion from the Torah Covenant.

I can't help but wonder what would have taken place had Jesus found the fruit he so longed for? But he found none.

Mark 11:20–23 (KJV)
20 And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots.
21 And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away.
22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.

The fig tree withered and the mountain was indeed cast into the sea of humanity.

But this is not replacement theology / preterism!

For the fig tree will revive but notice it produces only religion (fig leaves):

Mark 13:28–37 (KJV)
28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:
29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.
30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.

Which is tied into the end time events / return of the LORD Jesus:

Mark 13:34-37 (KJV)

34 For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

These are our instructions!

For until 1290 days from the absolute end:

Daniel 12:11 (KJV)
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Proverbs 27:18 (KJV)
18 Whoso keepeth the fig tree shall eat the fruit thereof: so he that waiteth on his master shall be honoured.

Daniel 12:12 (KJV)
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

The pre-wrath taking out of those who ate the fruit of the fig tree (faith in Jesus) will take place 1335 days into the 70th Week of Daniel.

The tribulation temple that the beast will build (to mislead those who only produce fig leaves in the revived fig tree) will be defiled but not destroyed. This is also proof that preterism / replacement theology is false. For the Great Tribulation that follows will be the wrath of God poured out on the left behind (not to endorse the series by that name) inhabitants of earth... to produce a dilemma for the fig tree which will force it to produce the fruit of faith in Yeshua Jesus to save them.

Matthew 23:34–39 (KJV)
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Psalm 118:25–26 (KJV)
25 Save now, I beseech thee, O LORD: O LORD, I beseech thee, send now prosperity.
26 Blessed be he that cometh in the name of the LORD: we have blessed you out of the house of the LORD.

And when the fig tree produces the fruit of their outcry to Jesus, he will return to Earth to rescue them! 

Zechariah 14:4–5 (KJV)
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

[JohnD]

58 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

@JohnD

You are welcome to say something but please do not bring a message from those spirits.

I was unaware you personally took control of this thread.

And by spirits, are you implying anything that is not specifically Christian in nature is unwelcome in your presence?

While I appreciate the exchanges of opinions and conversations here this is by no means worship... and only worship should be so specifically devoid of the non-Christian things that go on in the rest of life.

I was only using a culturally familiar image to make a point (hopefully with levity).

I defy you to make conversation devoid of non-Christian content...

Names of the days of the week (pagan). I suppose you never use the names Monday - Sunday or the months of the year named after pagans or pagan gods. 

[Biblican]

20 hours ago, JasperWalls11 said:

There will be a day when the Messiah will rule the world from His Temple in Israel.  That is not the same as saying the Jews will one rule the world.  It is the Messiah, a Jew, who will rule the world, namely Jesus.   That is what we find both the Old and New Testaments.  The millennial or "Messianic" kingdom is written about more in the prophets than any other eschatological matter, by a mile.  The Lord gave many, many prophecies about the Kingdom.  Jesus had several parables that were parables about the Kingdom.  Ezekiel 40-48 is about the Messianic Temple that the Lord will rule from during the Millennium. 

I agree, but the Jews believe that they will one day rule the world with their messiah, this is one reason why they will be sitting ducks for the antichrist who will encourage them in their fantasy until it no longer suits his purposes.

[JasperWalls11]

3 minutes ago, Biblican said:

I agree, but the Jews believe that they will one day rule the world with their messiah, this is one reason why they will be sitting ducks for the antichrist who will encourage them in their fantasy until it no longer suits his purposes.

What is your documentation for that claim?

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, JasperWalls11 said:

What is your documentation for that claim?

Jesus said it more than one's he does not need a Temple.

He destroyed the Temple in 70 AD...in such away that it can never be built again...He destroyed the "Holy vessels" this time together with the Temple. It was deferent the first time when the Temple was destroyed...before it was destroyed he told them that they were coming back...to worship him with their gifts and sacrifices in the rebuilt Temple...this is why he preserved the Holy Vessels and the Arc with the budding rod of Aaron..the ever budding rod of Aaron and the jar with the ever living mana in it.

Which it was of telling that the Lord the living bread of Life had a propose to fulfill to come in an earthly vessel and distribute the bread of life to all people ...the two loafs of bread set before him as a reminder..one with the yeast and one without the yeast...and the table with the seven loafs of bread...as a point that he will distribute the bread of Life seven days of the week..

Jesus is not longing to come back to fulfill anyone's dreams about him..you are making stories about him...

Jesus rules the world from where he is....from his Heavenly Throne...

He must be worshiped in Spirit and in Truth...

Edited May 31, 2023 by Your closest friendnt

[JasperWalls11]

19 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Jesus said it more than one's he does not need a Temple.

He destroyed the Temple in 70 AD...in such away that it can never be built again...He destroyed the "Holy vessels" this time together with the Temple. It was deferent the first time when the Temple was destroyed...before it was destroyed he told them that they were coming back...to worship him with their gifts and sacrifices in the rebuilt Temple...this is why he preserved the Holy Vessels and the Arc with the budding rod of Aaron..the ever budding rod of Aaron and the jar with the ever living mana in it.

Which it was of telling that the Lord the living bread of Life had a propose to fulfill to come in an earthly vessel and distribute the bread of life to all people ...the two loafs of bread set before him as a reminder..one with the yeast and one without the yeast...and the table with the seven loafs of bread...as a point that he will distribute the bread of Life seven days of the week..

Jesus is not longing to come back to fulfill anyone's dreams about him..you are making stories about him...

Jesus rules the world from where he is....from his Heavenly Throne...

He must be worshiped in Spirit and in Truth...

Actually, Jesus will build a temple in the millennium and will reign in that temple.  That temple is described in Ezekiel 40-48.    I am not making up any stories.  Jesus will reign from His temple for 1,000 years according to Scripture.   Jesus is not ruling from a throne today.  Right now, Jesus is our Great High Priest and at this time, He is making intercession for us before the Father.   He will return to reign on the throne of David just as the prophets said.  

Edited May 31, 2023 by JasperWalls11

[Biblican]

1 hour ago, JasperWalls11 said:

What is your documentation for that claim?

It was in a video of interviews with orthodox Jews in Israel. I heard several of them say that. I am trying to find the original video. When I get it I will post the link.