The Nation of Israel - Sign of the Fig Tree

[farouk]

10 minutes ago, Biblican said:

In the Old Testament there are lots of scriptures showing the Gentiles coming to the Messiah who are His church.  The church is people.

Gentiles did indeed come into bless; but it was before Pentecost.

[JasperWalls11]

42 minutes ago, Biblican said:

The reference in Ezekiel is referring to God restoring them to the land after the Babylonian captivity. Israel is in her land prior to the second captivity but this is man's engineering which God permitted for His purposes. As you said, Israel will come to faith after the second captivity when Jesus returns and "They will look upon Me whom they have pierced." Zechariah 12:10.

We will have to agree to disagree on that.  I don't see it that way at all.

[JasperWalls11]

37 minutes ago, Biblican said:

In the Old Testament there are lots of scriptures showing the Gentiles coming to the Messiah who are His church.  The church is people.

There are no prophecies of the Church in the Old Testament.  Prophetically, the church age is skipped over in the Old Testament.  The prophets never mention it.  It does from the death and resurrection of the Messiah to the Day of the Lord/Messianic Kingdom followed by the New Heavens and New Earth.  

[farouk]

9 minutes ago, JasperWalls11 said:

There are no prophecies of the Church in the Old Testament.  Prophetically, the church age is skipped over in the Old Testament.  The prophets never mention it.  It does from the death and resurrection of the Messiah to the Day of the Lord/Messianic Kingdom followed by the New Heavens and New Earth.  

I often think of the period of Pentecost until the Rapture........

[Biblican]

7 hours ago, JasperWalls11 said:

There are no prophecies of the Church in the Old Testament.  Prophetically, the church age is skipped over in the Old Testament.  The prophets never mention it.  It does from the death and resurrection of the Messiah to the Day of the Lord/Messianic Kingdom followed by the New Heavens and New Earth.  

Pentecost is prophesied in Isaiah 66:8 - cafelogos.org/nation.html

[Biblican]

8 hours ago, JasperWalls11 said:

We will have to agree to disagree on that.  I don't see it that way at all.

The prophecies where God says He calls Israel to the land are in reference to their return from the Babylonian captivity and after their second captivity, the tribulation in Zechariah 14. In both those instances God established a religious nation. When Israel became a nation in 1948 it was a secular nation. Before Israel was a nation Palestine was inhabited by Arabs with a very small population of Jews, about 3%. The Arabs had lived there for hundreds of years and they all lived together in peace. Then one of the Rothschilds from the banking family who are globalists started buying up land there and started businesses. He began importing Jews from Europe to run them. So many of them came they were running out of housing and when the Arabs refused to sell, the Jews formed terrorist groups and began to drive them out. Then another Rothschild was approached to make Israel a homeland for the Jewish people, which was beneficial to the Rothschild family because they had so many business interests there and he was instrumental in making Israel a nation. God permitted it to fulfill prophecy and be the sign that we are in the last days. The Rothschilds are one of the families that are behind the movement toward a one world government beast system. That's how and why Israel became a nation.

[Your closest friendnt]

8 hours ago, JasperWalls11 said:

There are no prophecies of the Church in the Old Testament.  Prophetically, the church age is skipped over in the Old Testament.  The prophets never mention it.  It does from the death and resurrection of the Messiah to the Day of the Lord/Messianic Kingdom followed by the New Heavens and New Earth.  

I am wondering why you say that. 

[JasperWalls11]

5 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

I am wondering why you say that. 

I said that because its true.  There are no prophecies of the Church in the OT.  

[JasperWalls11]

5 hours ago, Biblican said:

The prophecies where God says He calls Israel to the land are in reference to their return from the Babylonian captivity and after their second captivity, the tribulation in Zechariah 14. In both those instances God established a religious nation. When Israel became a nation in 1948 it was a secular nation. Before Israel was a nation Palestine was inhabited by Arabs with a very small population of Jews, about 3%. The Arabs had lived there for hundreds of years and they all lived together in peace. Then one of the Rothschilds from the banking family who are globalists started buying up land there and started businesses. He began importing Jews from Europe to run them. So many of them came they were running out of housing and when the Arabs refused to sell, the Jews formed terrorist groups and began to drive them out. Then another Rothschild was approached to make Israel a homeland for the Jewish people, which was beneficial to the Rothschild family because they had so many business interests there and he was instrumental in making Israel a nation. God permitted it to fulfill prophecy and be the sign that we are in the last days. The Rothschilds are one of the families that are behind the movement toward a one world government beast system. That's how and why Israel became a nation.

LOL, The stuff about the Rothchilds goes back to the blood libels about the Jews controlling world governments, the banks, the media, and so forth is a lot nonsense.  Sorry, not buying it. I am going to say what I said before.   I don't see it the way you see it.  I believe that any discussion between us on this point would not be a useful, edifying or profitable use of my time and so I will just leave it here. You and I will never see eye-to-eye, and we will just have to agree to disagree on this matter. 

[JasperWalls11]

5 hours ago, Biblican said:

Pentecost is prophesied in Isaiah 66:8 - cafelogos.org/nation.html

Isaiah 66:8 is not a prophecy of the Church.  It is a prophecy of the rebirth of Israel.  The Church and Israel are two different things. The Bible never calls Israel the Church and never calls the Church Israel.