When are both the living and the dead in Christ raised?

[Stewardofthemystery]

1 hour ago, The Light said:

Lots of flaws in your incorrect assumptions. ….You say "Notice above it was “the day” Noah entered they were destroyed, 

The Word in no way implies that the day Noah entered the ark the flood came and destroyed the unrighteous.

Read Genesis 7. Noah entered the ark 7 days before the flood even as the Church will enter the ark 7 years before destruction.

Genesis 7

9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

Jesus said that, not me.

Luke 17:27

They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.“

[The Light]

1 hour ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

Jesus said that, not me.

Luke 17:27

They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.“

Jesus did not say the flood came the day Noah entered the ark. You said that.

They eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage until the day that Noah entered the ark.

That means they did these things UNTIL the day Noah entered the ark.

That does NOT say that flood came the day Noah entered the ark. 

The flood came 7 days after Noah entered the ark as I already posted in Genesis 7.

The Church will be in heaven 7 years before the wrath of God, as the Word proclaims.

[Stewardofthemystery]

25 minutes ago, The Light said:

Jesus did not say the flood came the day Noah entered the ark. You said that.

They eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage until the day that Noah entered the ark.

That means they did these things UNTIL the day Noah entered the ark.

That does NOT say that flood came the day Noah entered the ark. 

The flood came 7 days after Noah entered the ark as I already posted in Genesis 7.

The Church will be in heaven 7 years before the wrath of God, as the Word proclaims.

I quoted what Jesus said, so whatever.

[The Light]

7 minutes ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

I quoted what Jesus said, so whatever.

Yeah. You obviously misunderstood the Word of God and instead of fessing up and admitting the error you want to keep pushing false doctrine.

It may be whatever to you but It's not to the Lord.

The Lord is at the door. The rapture of the Church will happen soon and you are unaware.

Edited June 19, 2023 by The Light

[Stewardofthemystery]

18 minutes ago, The Light said:

Yeah. You obviously misunderstood the Word of God and instead of fessing up and admitting the error you want to keep pushing false doctrine.

It may be whatever to you but It's not to the Lord.

The Lord is at the door. The rapture of the Church will happen soon and you are unaware.

There is no such thing as pre trib rapture, that is the false doctrines of men.

No one is resurrected, raised up, or caught to the Lord until “the last day” says Jesus Christ.

[The Light]

38 minutes ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

There is no such thing as pre trib rapture, that is the false doctrines of men.

No one is resurrected, raised up, or caught to the Lord until “the last day” says Jesus Christ.

The dead in Christ is the barley harvest. The alive that remain are caught up at the wheat harvest.

This happens before the 7 seals are opened.

Study to show thyself approved.

The Lord is at the door, and you are NOT WATCHING as instructed.

When I hear that the pretrib rapture is a false doctrine of men,  I know that you have not done your RE search.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

23 minutes ago, The Light said:

The dead in Christ is the barley harvest. The alive that remain are caught up at the wheat harvest.

This happens before the 7 seals are opened.

Study to show thyself approved.

The Lord is at the door, and you are NOT WATCHING as instructed.

When I hear that the pretrib rapture is a false doctrine of men,  I know that you have not done your RE search.

 

So when is the resurrection of the dead, and the living in Christ being caught up to the Lord?
 

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”

Notice we see #1 the Lord himself decending, #2 the trump of the archangel is sounded, #3 “the dead rise first”and #4 the living are caught up to meet the Lord. 

So when do the dead in Christ rise first? The answer is below…

John 6:39
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
John 6:40
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 11:24
Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

So it is clear, the dead are raised on “the last day“

[The Light]

40 minutes ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

 

So when is the resurrection of the dead, and the living in Christ being caught up to the Lord?
 

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”

Notice we see #1 the Lord himself decending, #2 the trump of the archangel is sounded, #3 “the dead rise first”and #4 the living are caught up to meet the Lord. 

So when do the dead in Christ rise first? The answer is below…

John 6:39
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
John 6:40
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 11:24
Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

So it is clear, the dead are raised on “the last day“

First lets get 1 Thessalonians 4 correct.

1 Thes 4

13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

So what is happening here? We shall not prevent them which are asleep. The dead in Christ rise first. That is the barley harvest. The alive remain. When Jesus returns for the alive that remain, He will bring the dead in Christ with Him for the wheat harvest. This is the alive Church that remains. We will meet the dead in Christ in the clouds.

Things to note: The Lord Himself comes. In a Jewish wedding the Father tells the son, the bridegroom, when it is time to get the bride. It is the trump of God or voice of God that says it is time to get the bride, the Church.

1 Thes 4 has to do with the Lord coming for the Church. The bride makes herself ready.

This is completely different than 1 Corinthians 15

1 Corinthians 15

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

This is a completely different coming of the Lord. This time the Lord remains in the clouds and sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth.

Mark 13

27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

So, there is more than one coming of the Lord. The Lord comes for the barley harvest and then returns for the wheat harvest. These together make up the grain harvest.

The Lord then comes for the fruit harvest. The fruit harvest occurs at the last day which is the coming of Jesus AT THE 6TH SEAL. This occurs at the last trump blown on the Feast of Trumpets.

THEN THE 7TH SEAL IS OPENED AND THE WRATH OF GOD BEGINS as the trumpets of wrath take place.

Jesus returns at the end of the trumpets and sets up His kingdom on earth.

There will be a pretribulation rapture and it will be soon. It is time to learn the truth and I mean fast.

[Stewardofthemystery]

47 minutes ago, The Light said:

First lets get 1 Thessalonians 4 correct.

1 Thes 4

13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

So what is happening here? We shall not prevent them which are asleep. The dead in Christ rise first. That is the barley harvest. The alive remain. When Jesus returns for the alive that remain, He will bring the dead in Christ with Him for the wheat harvest. This is the alive Church that remains. We will meet the dead in Christ in the clouds.

Things to note: The Lord Himself comes. In a Jewish wedding the Father tells the son, the bridegroom, when it is time to get the bride. It is the trump of God or voice of God that says it is time to get the bride, the Church.

1 Thes 4 has to do with the Lord coming for the Church. The bride makes herself ready.

This is completely different than 1 Corinthians 15

1 Corinthians 15

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

This is a completely different coming of the Lord. This time the Lord remains in the clouds and sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth.

Mark 13

27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

So, there is more than one coming of the Lord. The Lord comes for the barley harvest and then returns for the wheat harvest. These together make up the grain harvest.

The Lord then comes for the fruit harvest. The fruit harvest occurs at the last day which is the coming of Jesus AT THE 6TH SEAL. This occurs at the last trump blown on the Feast of Trumpets.

THEN THE 7TH SEAL IS OPENED AND THE WRATH OF GOD BEGINS as the trumpets of wrath take place.

Jesus returns at the end of the trumpets and sets up His kingdom on earth.

There will be a pretribulation rapture and it will be soon. It is time to learn the truth and I mean fast.

Again The problem with your theory is that you say the dead in Christ rise BEFORE “the last day” .

There is no secret rapture BEFORE the last day.

Jesus said the dead are raised at the last day.  But you are saying the dead are raised BEFORE the last day.

I believe Jesus Christ!

All of Gods host of heaven and on earth are gathered together in one single event at “the last day”

Ephesians 1:10

That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things inChrist, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

 

[The Light]

1 hour ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

Again The problem with your theory is that you say the dead in Christ rise BEFORE “the last day” .

There is no secret rapture BEFORE the last day.

Jesus said the dead are raised at the last day.  But you are saying the dead are raised BEFORE the last day.

I believe Jesus Christ!

All of Gods host of heaven and on earth are gathered together in one single event at “the last day”

Ephesians 1:10

That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things inChrist, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

 

Amazing that you would quote one of the very verses that proves my point.

In the dispensation for the fullness of times He might GATHER together IN ONE all things IN CHRIST, both which are in HEAVEN and which are on EARTH.

This the gathering from HEAVEN and EARTH. In the dispensation of the fullness of times He will gather the CHURCH FROM HEAVEN and those of the second harvest from the earth. Those 144,000 first fruits from the 12 tribes, are proof that there will be a harvest of the 12 tribes. At the gathering from heaven and earth both will be gathered into ONE.

John 10

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

There is an order given.

1 Cor 15

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Christ is firstfruits. Then they that are Christs at His coming which is the Church when He comes before the seals are opened.

Then part of Israel has its eyes opened when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.

Romans 11

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Then there are 144,000 first fruits taken to heaven.

Revelation 14

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

So we have first fruits, so they that are Christs at His coming at the end of the age for the harvest. This will be the seed of the woman, Israel.

The fig tree has two harvests. Jacob had two brides. There is grain harvest and fruit harvest. One will be like the days of Noah and one like the days of Lot. One will be at the trump of God or voice of God and one will be at the last trump, blown on the Feast of Trumpets. One coming, the Lord Himself comes and one coming He sends His angels.

It's all perfectly clear when you read exactly what the Word says.