When are both the living and the dead in Christ raised?

[The Light]

22 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

You think all the Jews rejected God and His word before Jesus came?

No.

22 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

What about Abraham who is the Father of the faith? Or Moses, or Samuel, or David, or Elijah, or Noah, or Job, or Daniel, or all the OT saints and prophets?  

What about them?

22 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

Clearly you are one who is confused.

So you're telling me you read Romans 11 and still couldn't understand?

[Stewardofthemystery]

4 minutes ago, The Light said:

What about them?

 

Luke 13:28

There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.”

[The Light]

5 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

Luke 13:28

There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.”

I don't believe that I have replaced Israel as many believe for themselves.. I only believe that the fullness of the Gentiles comes in BEFORE part of Israel can see and be regrafted into the vine.

It is the foolish virgins that are not watching and ready for the coming of the Messiah for the first harvest.

[Stewardofthemystery]

39 minutes ago, The Light said:

 I only believe that the fullness of the Gentiles comes in BEFORE part of Israel can see and be regrafted into the vine.

 

But we were talking about the “firstfruits” of Israel that are already redeemed, not the branches that were broken off.

Romans 11:16

For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

[The Light]

4 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

But we were talking about the “firstfruits” of Israel that are already redeemed, not the branches that were broken off.

Romans 11:16

For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

Sorry but the first fruits of Israel are not redeemed from the earth yet. That won't happen until after the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.

Hosea 9

10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.

The fathers of the Jews were supposed to be the first fruits of the 1st harvest, but they went to Baalpeor. The Gentiles become the 1st harvest.

We are told not to be ignorant of the fact that part of Israel will have its blindness removed when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. The part that will have its blindness removed is the seed of the woman. The woman is Israel and her seed is the 12 tribes across the earth.

 

[DeighAnn]

1637. elaion ►
Strong's Concordance
elaion: olive oil
Original Word: ἔλαιον, ου, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: elaion
Phonetic Spelling: (el'-ah-yon)
Definition: olive oil
Usage: olive oil, oil.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 1637 élaion – olive oil (from 1636 /elaía, "olive tree"); (figuratively) the indwelling (empowering) of the Holy Spirit.

While all true believers are indwelt by the Holy Spirit, none can give their oil to someone else (see Mt 25:3-8)! Each person must seek (find) the Lord for themself.

[Stewardofthemystery]

8 hours ago, The Light said:

Sorry but the first fruits of Israel are not redeemed from the earth yet. That won't happen until after the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.

Hosea 9

10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.

The fathers of the Jews were supposed to be the first fruits of the 1st harvest, but they went to Baalpeor. The Gentiles become the 1st harvest.

We are told not to be ignorant of the fact that part of Israel will have its blindness removed when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. The part that will have its blindness removed is the seed of the woman. The woman is Israel and her seed is the 12 tribes across the earth.

 

 

Mark 12:24-27

 

King James Version

 

 

²⁴ And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?

²⁵ For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

²⁶ And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?

²⁷ He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

[The Light]

1 hour ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

 

Mark 12:24-27

 

King James Version

 

 

²⁴ And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?

²⁵ For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

²⁶ And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?

²⁷ He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

I guess you missed this part:

Mark 12

25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

Your argument is left wanting, AGAIN.

[Stewardofthemystery]

9 minutes ago, The Light said:

I guess you missed this part:

Mark 12

25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

Your argument is left wanting, AGAIN.

You must have missed this part…

Matthew 27:52-53

King James Version

52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”

 

[The Light]

19 minutes ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

You must have missed this part…

Matthew 27:52-53

King James Version

52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”

 

No, not at all. There were no reports of Abraham, Isaac or Jacob rising from the dead so I think we can conclude they were not among these.

Additionally, those elders in Revelation 4 have crowns. That means Jesus has returned and brought His reward.

Edited June 25, 2023 by The Light