Let's discuss Revelation 17

[douggg]

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

Your now adding to your claim, we were talking about Revelation 12:12 "Alone" and now you add Revelation 8:13 to the conversation "Smiles"!

Revelation 8:13 is where we are told that the last three trumpets are woes to the inhabiters of the earth.

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

As you were shown, Revelation 12:12 "Woe" is nothing more than a generic word of warning and has nothing to do with the 3 last "Woes" of the trumpets

It is not just the word woe in Revelation 12.    But woe to the inhabiters of the earth and sea.   The three woes are woes to the inhabiters of the earth.

Why don't you just admit that you are wrong about something?

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

Revelation 8:13 is the 3 last "Woes" of the Trumpets, and the 3rd "Woe" is the 7th Angel/Trump (The End), this 7th Angel/Trump is seen throughout scripture that represents the second coming of Jesus Christ (The End)

The third woe to the inhabiters of the earth is marked by the sounding of the 7th angel.

But the third woe is not Jesus's Second Coming -  but Satan cast down to earth having great wrath - knowing his time is short - a time/times/half time.

Who is the falling star in Revelation 9:1-2, who starts the first woe ?  

It is Satan having great wrath, and opens the bottomless pit, to release the locust creatures, and his other cohort demons to torture men, and cause havoc over the time/times/half time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[douggg]

1 minute ago, truth7t7 said:

The 7th Angel/Trump is the 3rd "Woe" at this time the second coming takes place (The End)

The Holy Bible on the subject of the 7th Angel/Trump is described throughout the Bible, and it takes place at the Lord's future coming (The End)

Matthew 24:30-31KJV

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

1 Thessalonians 4:16KJV

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Jesus returns to end the great tribulation.   And rescue them who had become believers during that time.    His Return is not a woe to the inhabiters of the earth.

[truth7t7]

Just now, douggg said:

Revelation 8:13 is where we are told that the last three trumpets are woes to the inhabiters of the earth.

It is not just the word woe in Revelation 12.    But woe to the inhabiters of the earth and sea.   The three woes are woes to the inhabiters of the earth.

You asked me to describe "Woe" in Revelation 12:12 and I did, then you added to this Revelation 8:13 in the 3 woes

The "Woe" seen in Revelation 12:12 is a generic warning, and has nothing to do with Revelation 8:13 in 3  "Woes"

The Angel(s) of the Lord bring forth the 3 "Woes" in the Trumps

[truth7t7]

36 minutes ago, douggg said:

Jesus returns to end the great tribulation.   And rescue them who had become believers during that time.    His Return is not a woe to the inhabiters of the earth.

Jesus returns in fire and final judgment, dissolving this earth by fire (The End)

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV

29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV

7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV

2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV

6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV

3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV

5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV

15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV

5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.

6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Edited July 9, 2023 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

14 minutes ago, douggg said:

Revelation 8:13 is where we are told that the last three trumpets are woes to the inhabiters of the earth.

It is not just the word woe in Revelation 12.    But woe to the inhabiters of the earth and sea.   The three woes are woes to the inhabiters of the earth.

Why don't you just admit that you are wrong about something?

The third woe to the inhabiters of the earth is marked by the sounding of the 7th angel.

But the third woe is not Jesus's Second Coming -  but Satan cast down to earth having great wrath - knowing his time is short - a time/times/half time.

I Disagree with your claims, the 7th Angel/Trump is the 3rd woe in the Lord's second coming in fire and final judgement, when God pours out his cup of wrath upon the earth (The End)

[truth7t7]

26 minutes ago, douggg said:

Revelation 8:13 is where we are told that the last three trumpets are woes to the inhabiters of the earth.

It is not just the word woe in Revelation 12.    But woe to the inhabiters of the earth and sea.   The three woes are woes to the inhabiters of the earth.

Why don't you just admit that you are wrong about something?

The third woe to the inhabiters of the earth is marked by the sounding of the 7th angel.

But the third woe is not Jesus's Second Coming -  but Satan cast down to earth having great wrath - knowing his time is short - a time/times/half time.

Who is the falling star in Revelation 9:1-2, who starts the first woe ?  

It is Satan having great wrath, and opens the bottomless pit, to release the locust creatures, and his other cohort demons to torture men, and cause havoc over the time/times/half time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I Disagree with your claims, the word "Woe" in Revelation 12:12 is a general warning to the earth, you want to include this into the 3 Angels/Trumps as being Satan  "Wrong"

The 3 "Woes" in Revelation 8:13 is announcing the Angels/Trumps that are clearly described a "1st Woe" Rev 9:12 "2nd Woe" "3rd Woe" Rev 11:14

Edited July 9, 2023 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

53 minutes ago, douggg said:

Who is the falling star in Revelation 9:1-2, who starts the first woe ?  

It is Satan having great wrath, and opens the bottomless pit, to release the locust creatures, and his other cohort demons to torture men, and cause havoc over the time/times/half time.

The Angel with the key to the bottomless pit isn't Satan as you falsely claim, this angel with the key binds Satan

Before your eyes scripture proves your claim that (Satan Is The Angel With The Key) is 100% "Wrong"

Revelation 20:1-2KJV

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Edited July 9, 2023 by truth7t7

[douggg]

59 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

You asked me to describe "Woe" in Revelation 12:12 and I did, then you added to this Revelation 8:13 in the 3 woes

I ask you what was the number of the woe to the inhabiters of earth and seas is.    Not to describe the woe.    The text itself in Revelation 12:12 describes the woe.

 

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

The "Woe" seen in Revelation 12:12 is a generic warning, and has nothing to do with Revelation 8:13 in 3  "Woes"

It not "generic" warning.    It is a specific woe to the inhabiters of the earth and sea.   Satan cast down to earth having great wrath.

 

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

The Angel(s) of the Lord bring forth the 3 "Woes" in the Trumps

When the 7th angel sounds, that is the signal for Michael and his angels to cast Satan and his angels.   It will be right after the 1260 days in Revelation 12:6 and the 1260 days of the two witnesses in Reveltion 11:3.

 

 

[douggg]

56 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

No, Jesus does not dissolve this present earth.    In Zechariah 14, after Jesus returns, the

nations of the earth will come to Jerusalem to worship the great King - Jesus.

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

Revelation 20:9KJV

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

That takes place after the millennial rule of Jesus on this present earth.

[douggg]

27 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

The Angel with the key to the bottomless pit isn't Satan as you falsely claim, this angel with the key binds Satan

Before your eyes scripture proves your claim that (Satan Is The Angel With The Key) is 100% "Wrong"

First of all, you think there is only one key to the bottomless pit.   How many keys do you have to your house ?

The falling star is Satan falling to earth.