Church bulletin

[Kabowd]

I would say that's pretty judgemental considering you don't know how I racked up my credit card bills. Perhaps once you have children, you will understand how living can be expensive. smile.gif

How is it judgmental when you gave personal testimony that credit cards "enticed you to live beyond your means" and led to evil? These were your own words, not mine. I was merely pointing out that based on what you shared, your other "master" was not the credit cards...it was greed or lack of self-control.

And I'm not understanding why you think I can't understand that living is expensive until I have children. I have to earn my own money that I spend. I'm not a hermit, I've been outside of my house and fully understand that life is expensive. But I've also been taught that just because I want something, doesn't mean I need to have it. I've known what it's like to live with little, and I know what it's like to live with much. In either case, money is not the evil..and neither is how you access the money. The evil can be found in how a person views the money, their desires and what they wish to do with the money, and their heart attitude regarding Who the money actually belongs to. A person with no credit cards can be just as irresponsible as a person with them. All I'm saying is that your blame seems to be misplaced. You had a bad experience (whether due to greed, lack of self-control, or poor choices, etc.) and thus you deem all credit card usage as "potential evil" across the board. Instead of harolding the evils of Visa one could spend more time discussing self-control, contentedness, or ways that a person could avoid being "enticed". I think alot of problems could be avoided if people would just be more responsible, pray and ask God what they should buy or how they should spend their money, and take responsibility for their own actions.

[Gerioke]

I would say that's pretty judgemental considering you don't know how I racked up my credit card bills. Perhaps once you have children, you will understand how living can be expensive. smile.gif

How is it judgmental when you gave personal testimony that credit cards "enticed you to live beyond your means" and led to evil? These were your own words, not mine. I was merely pointing out that based on what you shared, your other "master" was not the credit cards...it was greed or lack of self-control.

And I'm not understanding why you think I can't understand that living is expensive until I have children. I have to earn my own money that I spend. I'm not a hermit, I've been outside of my house and fully understand that life is expensive. But I've also been taught that just because I want something, doesn't mean I need to have it. I've known what it's like to live with little, and I know what it's like to live with much. In either case, money is not the evil..and neither is how you access the money. The evil can be found in how a person views the money, their desires and what they wish to do with the money, and their heart attitude regarding Who the money actually belongs to. A person with no credit cards can be just as irresponsible as a person with them. All I'm saying is that your blame seems to be misplaced. You had a bad experience (whether due to greed, lack of self-control, or poor choices, etc.) and thus you deem all credit card usage as "potential evil" across the board. Instead of harolding the evils of Visa one could spend more time discussing self-control, contentedness, or ways that a person could avoid being "enticed". I think alot of problems could be avoided if people would just be more responsible, pray and ask God what they should buy or how they should spend their money, and take responsibility for their own actions.

I don't know if you are intentionally trying to judge me or not, however it is evident that you have a certain perseption of me that I find somewhat offensive. You have no idea where or how I live. I'd like to see you spend one winter in my house and still live within your means.

[apothanein kerdos]

How is it a false perception? Any excess spending of money is greedy and lack of self-control...whether done via credit cards or cash.

[ruah brit]

I visited a church recently and received one of their bullentins that they hand out at the door while greeting people. When I got home I found the bullitin while going through my things and decided to read it to see what kind of things were going on, you know, like weekly meetings and all that.

At the bottom of the page this caught my eye.

Did you know that you can now pay your tithes and offering with any card that has the Visa or Mastercard logo?

Is it just me, or is this absolutly unbelievable.

It is believable. prophesy fortold it all.

ze 28

18 "You defiled your sanctuaries By the multitude of your iniquities, By the iniquity of your trading; Therefore I brought fire from your midst; It devoured you, And I turned you to ashes upon the earth In the sight of all who saw you.

Denise

[Kabowd]

I visited a church recently and received one of their bullentins that they hand out at the door while greeting people. When I got home I found the bullitin while going through my things and decided to read it to see what kind of things were going on, you know, like weekly meetings and all that.

At the bottom of the page this caught my eye.

Did you know that you can now pay your tithes and offering with any card that has the Visa or Mastercard logo?

Is it just me, or is this absolutly unbelievable.

It is believable. prophesy fortold it all.

ze 28

18 "You defiled your sanctuaries By the multitude of your iniquities, By the iniquity of your trading; Therefore I brought fire from your midst; It devoured you, And I turned you to ashes upon the earth In the sight of all who saw you.

Denise

Wow...talk about mishandling Scripture. Wow.

[Avodah]

My point is...it is tacky and unreasonable to have that in the bulletin. Actualy, in all honesty, I think it is tacky to have in the church as well. People give on compulsion, especially after a manipulating sermon about tithe and offerings. If they happen to not have any cash on them, they will just whip out their visa/mc and give something, even if they aren't supposed to. The Lord will speak to about giving and where to give. It is easy to be carried away emotionally and give where the Lord has not told you to, and the church makes it easier because they "take" credit cards just like the stores.

[sisterinchrist]

my opinion is that a credit card is not of your earnings. Something that is credited and paid later. Tithes is the first tenth of your earnings. So I will pay either with a check or with cash.

[apothanein kerdos]

I must ask if it really matters. Are we so strict on giving that it HAS to be 10% and that it HAS to be taken off of the gross? Give me a break.

[Gerioke]

How is it a false perception? Any excess spending of money is greedy and lack of self-control...whether done via credit cards or cash.

You people slay me. Do you own an old car? Do you have kids to feed? Do you pay 3000 dollars a year for oil heating.

I had no Idea that feeding my kids is an act of greed. I had no idea that keeping my house at 65 degrees in he winter was an act of greed. I had no idea that keeping my car on the road was an act of greed. you better take your high and mighty attitudes and exchange them for some good sense. You shouldn't be judgeing people until you've walked a mile in their shoes.

[Avodah]

my opinion is that a credit card is not of your earnings. Something that is credited and paid later

I must ask if it really matters. Are we so strict on giving that it HAS to be 10% and that it HAS to be taken off of the gross? Give me a break.

Who said that? I think it should be what the Lord tells you. If He tells you give 10%, 50% or 100% then by all means do it. But you better make sure your hearing it from the Lord