I AM THAT I AM

[Your closest friendnt]

10 hours ago, Truswell said:

 

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

 

The key words is ABOUT JESUS CHRIST and it was said some time after the death and resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ and after the day of Pentecost and after the Gospel had began to be preached in the Gentiles Nations and the Samaritans and the Jewish Nation and continued to be preached. It was said within the New Covenant where is established that the Heavenly Father had began to have children sanctified (it excludes the sanctification within the Sinai Covenant) by the blood of the Slain Lamb of God who is Jesus Christ who died on the Cross, and the Heavenly Father had began to have children justified in the blood of the Slain Lamb of God who is Jesus Christ who died on the Cross ( it excludes the Justification made by the blood of the sacrificial animals in the Sinai Covenant). They also were included in the Heavenly Inheritance of Jesus Christ when they welcomed him at the time he went to them right after the Cross. Jesus foretold about this day when he said that Abraham knew my day of this day when he will come to them with the Eternal Life right after the Cross and Abraham rejoice knowing of the day of Jesus Christ going to them to include them in the justification under the blood of the Slain Lamb of God who is Jesus Christ. All God had He has given them to me so Jesus Christ is the HEAD also of Abraham and everyone else who was gathered to Abraham. And all of them wellcome Jesus Christ and were made one with Jesus Christ and for that reason were made one with the Heavenly Father.  

Edited October 14, 2023 by Your closest friendnt

[Truswell]

41 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.
It was said within the Sinai Covenant) by the blood of the Slain Lamb of God who is Jesus Christ who died on the Cross, and the Heavenly Father had began to have children justified in the blood of the Slain Lamb of God who is Jesus Christ who died on the Cross ( it excludes the Justification made by the blood of the sacrificial animals in the Sinai Covenant). 

This is what they were doing. 

“What to me is the multitude of your sacrifices? says the Lord; I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams and the fat of well-fed beasts; I do not delight in the blood of bulls, or of lambs, or of goats.(Isaiah 1:11) 

Bring no more vain offerings; incense is an abomination to me. New moon and Sabbath and the calling of convocations—I cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly. (Isaiah 1:13)

Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods. (Deu 12:31 KJV)

All that is required is to:

"love God with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices."

Mark 12:33

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Edited October 14, 2023 by Truswell

[Your closest friendnt]

18 minutes ago, Truswell said:

This is what they were doing. 

“What to me is the multitude of your sacrifices? says the Lord; I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams and the fat of well-fed beasts; I do not delight in the blood of bulls, or of lambs, or of goats.(Isaiah 1:11) 

Bring no more vain offerings; incense is an abomination to me. New moon and Sabbath and the calling of convocations—I cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly. (Isaiah 1:13)

Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods. (Deu 12:31 KJV)

All that is required is to:

"love God with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices."

Mark 12:33

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There is something that creates a lot of confusion when a passage from the Old Testament is given and then a passage of the New Testament is given. Some how mixing both of them to a certain issue and without the context that of the specific passage that makes the distinction from one to another.  

We must always distinguish the passages from the Old Testament with their Context and the passages from the New Covenant and their context because the former passages are under the reign of the Lord God over his people in the Sinai Covenant.

As the passage in Malachi who posted it is a passage from the Old Testament between the people who were under the Sinai Covenant and their Lord God the enforcer of the Sinai Covenant.  And the other passage in Hebrews 13:8 is a passage made within the New Testament in the Covenant made between Jesus Christ on our behalf and the Heavenly Father ratified by his blood the blood of the Slain Lamb of God on the Cross which Jesus Christ. 

It seems that a constant effort is made inspite the promt to distinguish the passages in the Old Covenant from the passages in the New Covenant to no avail.  The passage in Malachi is about what the Lord God of the Israelites said about himself concerning his people within the Sinai Covenant naming them as the Israelites the sons of Jacob.  

The passage of Hebrews 13:8 is within the New Testament it announcing that the reign of the Lord God of the Israelites over his people has come to what God has proposed to himself from the beginning of the world that his authority to Judge the Israelites has been taken away from him and given to Jesus Christ whom the Heavenly Father has made to be the Judge of all the people of the world forever more. This is what Hebrews tries to established that the Judgement of the Lord God over the Israelites in the Sinai Covenant has met his due end in Jesus Christ as it was prophesied in the Old Testament by his own prophets. And the Judgement of the Israelites together with the Judgement of the rest of the world was given to Jesus Christ the Slain Lamb of God who was promised to rein without end. This is what Hebrews tries to established when he said that Jesus Christ is the same today and forever more. That what God had proposed to himself from the beginning of the world to children sanctified and justified by the blood of the Slain Lamb of God who is Jesus Christ has been accoblished and that will never change the Old Covenant of Sinai did not do that, the blood of the sacrificial animals could not do what the blood of the Slain Lamb of God did who is Jesus Christ to bring children to the Heavenly Father the old Covenant brought children to Abraham to their Father Abraham..who did not have a Heavenly Inheritance. 

 

[Your closest friendnt]

On 10/13/2023 at 1:09 PM, Truswell said:

I thought the I AM was unchanging, and no killing means no killing. So, from your reply, maybe Yahweh is not I am. Would you agree?

We are in the Old Testament the Israelites have been in Egypt for about 400 hundred years. For a long time since Joseph a little less than 400 years there is nothing in the bible to suggest that the Lord God Almighty had appeared and spoken to anyone of the Israelites that we know. I said that from what is known to us from the Bible but we cannot speak on behalf of the Lord God Almighty the God of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob because he may have appeared and spoken to other people from the Nation of Israel and we do not know it because it was not recorted. We have to be careful no to speak on behalf of God because not everything about God was recorded in the Bible. 

Nearly for four hundred years and the Lord God Almighty made himself known to Moses at the burning bush.  

The first thing he said to Moses was that He distinguish himself from the other Gods of Egypt and the other Nations by telling Moses that He is a Holy God. By saying that he set himself apart from the Gods of the Egyptians. 

When He said to Moses that He was a Holy God and that he was the God of their Patriarh Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and that included Moses and all the Israelites Moses humble himself knowing that he had worship the Idols himself and a lot of the Israelites were involved in the worship of the Idol Gods and they had participated in the festivals of those Gods....at that time Moses got it right that they stand in having done something that they needed to be cleansed from so their worship of their God can be accepteble to him. In that state as Moses was the Lord God informed Moses that he had cleansed him from his past and the worship of the Idols on his own when he informed him that he is standing on Holy Ground and lived and not died. Further the Lord informed Moses to not be afraid and to take off his sandals and stand on Holy Ground barefoot and to draw near to him. The Lord had just informed Moses that he was under a special state of being given a special status to be able to be in His presence and live and not be consumed and that's how he had chosen to comunicate with him and talk with him face to face. The Lord God gave to Moses a special status before him by giving him LIFE in his presence that he can be in his presence that non of the High Priest did not have that not even the Patriarh of the Priests Aaron who had to cover them selves from head to their toes before doing their duties in the Temple before the Lord God. This all happened before the Law was given to the people by Moses who took it from God. Note that was Moses who went up to the mountain of the Lord and not Aaron who was with the people who made the Golden calf one of the God's of Egypt and began to have a festival and worship the Idol while Moses was with God who gave the 10 Comandments to Moses.  Before the Priesthood and the sacrifices. Moses did not interfere with the duties of Aaron he never offered insence to the Lord because he could stand in the presence of God as he was, that what God had given him to have life in his presence, only him and no one else but Elijah the Prophet later on and that's why he took both of them to Heaven, as we see in the mountain of configuration both of them talked about what was known in Heaven about Jesus and the glory of Jesus surpasses the glory of both Moses and Elijah and the only one who could surpass their glory was the one who had given them Life and took them to Heaven and they did not died and that was their Lord God. At that time Moses and Elijah gave witness that Jesus was their Lord God when they lived on earth but now their Lord God had left everything to come as a man born from a woman. They revealed who Jesus was in his preexisting life. The Lord God Almighty, the Lord God of Israel their Lord God when they sojourn in Israel...this explains why Moses and Elijah they did not appear with their Lord God and they appeared with Jesus because that would be impossible to happen. Before it was their Lord God Almighty but now it was Jesus as it was impossible to have both at any given time.  It was one or the other and at that time it was with the later, because the former took the form of one of them when he was born as a man in Bethlehem from Mary after the nine months gestation period in the womb of Mary and when he was born someone would have to cut biblical cord in the same as it is for all human beings. Their nourishment and their existence their survival depended on the life of the biblical cord. Jesus birth was a timely birth with Mary going through the labour of his birth. This is why we are instructed to worship Jesus Christ who open the way to the Heavenly Father for the first time with Jesus the way to the Heavenly Father was opened because Jesus open the way for mankind to inherit the Heavenly Inheritance and only in the name of Jesus Christ we can be with the Heavenly Father who is in Heaven...Amen. 

Edited October 15, 2023 by Your closest friendnt

[Truswell]

7 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

We are in the Old Testament the Israelites have been in Egypt for about 400 hundred years. For a long time since Joseph a little less than 400 years there is nothing in the bible to suggest that the Lord God Almighty had appeared and spoken to anyone of the Israelites that we know. I said that from what is known to us from the Bible but we cannot speak on behalf of the Lord God Almighty the God of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob because he may have appeared and spoken to other people from the Nation of Israel and we do not know it because it was not recorted. We have to be careful no to speak on behalf of God because not everything about God was recorded in the Bible. 

Nearly for four hundred years and the Lord God Almighty made himself known to Moses at the burning bush.  

The first thing he said to Moses was that He distinguish himself from the other Gods of Egypt and the other Nations by telling Moses that He is a Holy God. By saying that he set himself apart from the Gods of the Egyptians. 

When He said to Moses that He was a Holy God and that he was the God of their Patriarh Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and that included Moses and all the Israelites Moses humble himself knowing that he had worship the Idols himself and a lot of the Israelites were involved in the worship of the Idol Gods and they had participated in the festivals of those Gods....at that time Moses got it right that they stand in having done something that they needed to be cleansed from so their worship of their God can be accepteble to him. In that state as Moses was the Lord God informed Moses that he had cleansed him from his past and the worship of the Idols on his own when he informed him that he is standing on Holy Ground and lived and not died. Further the Lord informed Moses to not be afraid and to take off his sandals and stand on Holy Ground barefoot and to draw near to him. The Lord had just informed Moses that he was under a special state of being given a special status to be able to be in His presence and live and not be consumed and that's how he had chosen to comunicate with him and talk with him face to face. The Lord God gave to Moses a special status before him by giving him LIFE in his presence that he can be in his presence that non of the High Priest did not have that not even the Patriarh of the Priests Aaron who had to cover them selves from head to their toes before doing their duties in the Temple before the Lord God. This all happened before the Law was given to the people by Moses who took it from God. Note that was Moses who went up to the mountain of the Lord and not Aaron who was with the people who made the Golden calf one of the God's of Egypt and began to have a festival and worship the Idol while Moses was with God who gave the 10 Comandments to Moses.  Before the Priesthood and the sacrifices. Moses did not interfere with the duties of Aaron he never offered insence to the Lord because he could stand in the presence of God as he was, that what God had given him to have life in his presence, only him and no one else but Elijah the Prophet later on and that's why he took both of them to Heaven, as we see in the mountain of configuration both of them talked about what was known in Heaven about Jesus and the glory of Jesus surpasses the glory of both Moses and Elijah and the only one who could surpass their glory was the one who had given them Life and took them to Heaven and they did not died and that was their Lord God. At that time Moses and Elijah gave witness that Jesus was their Lord God when they lived on earth but now their Lord God had left everything to come as a man born from a woman. They revealed who Jesus was in his preexisting life. The Lord God Almighty, the Lord God of Israel their Lord God when they sojourn in Israel...this explains why Moses and Elijah they did not appear with their Lord God and they appeared with Jesus because that would be impossible to happen. Before it was their Lord God Almighty but now it was Jesus as it was impossible to have both at any given time.  It was one or the other and at that time it was with the later, because the former took the form of one of them when he was born as a man in Bethlehem from Mary after the nine months gestation period in the womb of Mary and when he was born someone would have to cut biblical cord in the same as it is for all human beings. Their nourishment and their existence their survival depended on the life of the biblical cord. Jesus birth was a timely birth with Mary going through the labour of his birth. This is why we are instructed to worship Jesus Christ who open the way to the Heavenly Father for the first time with Jesus the way to the Heavenly Father was opened because Jesus open the way for mankind to inherit the Heavenly Inheritance and only in the name of Jesus Christ we can be with the Heavenly Father who is in Heaven...Amen. 

I am sure you are correct in everything you write, but you forget they departed from the I AM a long time ago and as yet have not returned to the fold.

See here  https://www.keepandshare.com/doc/4302607/pagan-israel?dn=y

 

[Your closest friendnt]

@Truswell.

The Israelites often worship the Idols. Beginning from Egypt but not in the dessert after Moses gave them the 10 Comandments. When in Canaan some of their Kings worship the Idols and some not. This is why the Northern Kingdom was utterly destroyed because of their Idol worship. The kingdom of Juda was also punished for worshiping the Idols. David did not worship the Idols. There was aways a remnant who did not worship the Idols during the rein of kings who worship the Idols, and a remnant was who worship the Idols during the rein of the kings who did not worship the Idols...this was all written down in their history books. 

During the time of Jesus in Judea and Jerusalem and in Galilee the people worship the Lord. We do not call their God "the I AM" Because God told Moses to tell the people that the LORD send me you. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob because He was the one who enter in a Covenant with all of them and all of them were in a Covenant with him all the Israelites and Moses they were in a Covenant with the LORD because they were from Jacob, from the twelve sons of Jacob.  This is written down in the bible and no one disagrees with it.

At the time of Jesus the people in Jerusalem were very strick and there was no Idol worship in Jerusalem or Judea or Galilee. 

Is there a reason why you want to talk about the sins of the Israelites? Why you want to point out this part of their history and we also read how their Lord God the Lord of their Covenant deal with them because they were in a Covenant with him and they violated the Covenant with him that tells them not to worship other Gods.

They were not free to choose what to do because they were the people of the Lord God, they were born to him, they were not free to decide for themselves. They were under the Covenant of Circumcision they were from the chosen seed of Abraham.  They were born to their Lord God. 

 

Edited October 16, 2023 by Your closest friendnt

[Daniel Marsh]

ok too far behind on this one.  Any brief summaries? please

[Truswell]

10 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

@Truswell.

The Israelites often worship the Idols. Beginning from Egypt but not in the dessert after Moses gave them the 10 Comandments. When in Canaan some of their Kings worship the Idols and some not. This is why the Northern Kingdom was utterly destroyed because of their Idol worship. The kingdom of Juda was also punished for worshiping the Idols. David did not worship the Idols. There was aways a remnant who did not worship the Idols during the rein of kings who worship the Idols, and a remnant was who worship the Idols during the rein of the kings who did not worship the Idols...this was all written down in their history books. 

During the time of Jesus in Judea and Jerusalem and in Galilee the people worship the Lord. We do not call their God "the I AM" Because God told Moses to tell the people that the LORD send me you. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob because He was the one who enter in a Covenant with all of them and all of them were in a Covenant with him all the Israelites and Moses they were in a Covenant with the LORD because they were from Jacob, from the twelve sons of Jacob.  This is written down in the bible and no one disagrees with it.

At the time of Jesus the people in Jerusalem were very strick and there was no Idol worship in Jerusalem or Judea or Galilee. 

Is there a reason why you want to talk about the sins of the Israelites? Why you want to point out this part of their history and we also read how their Lord God the Lord of their Covenant deal with them because they were in a Covenant with him and they violated the Covenant with him that tells them not to worship other Gods.

They were not free to choose what to do because they were the people of the Lord God, they were born to him, they were not free to decide for themselves. They were under the Covenant of Circumcision they were from the chosen seed of Abraham.  They were born to their Lord God. 

 

Do you think that maybe the I AM (JESUS) is punishing the people in the same way as he did in Old Testament times so they will return to him?

[Your closest friendnt]

8 hours ago, Truswell said:

Do you think that maybe the I AM (JESUS) is punishing the people in the same way as he did in Old Testament times so they will return to him?

There is more than one issue that needs to be addressed in this post.

One of them is in the statement in the beginning of the quoted post that says: "Do you think that maybe the ........". The discussion should be about a certain passage in the bible and not about what anyone thinks and yes we should discuss what anyone thinks but after we have first identified the passage in the bible that make us think, then someone can say after reading this in the bible these are my thoughts. Or I am thinking in this way because I read this in the bible. And then the discussion is base on what is in the Bible and the discussion will examine our reactive thinking. Our thoughts and if our thoughts are relevant to the issue at hand. Or someone can say I am thinking those things because I have read something in the bible. 

And this a relevant question triger by the quoted post in the first part of the quoted post.

Where in the bible it is written that "I AM (JESUS)"? before we continue to discuss the questions that follows. 

We need first to examine if  the equation "I AM=JESUS" is expressly stated in the bible and if it is then the bible reference to it. And then we can proceed to discuss the question that follow. 

Someone also may say that "JESUS IS THE I AM" but the  "I AM is not JESUS", or the I AM is not JESUS and JESUS is not the I AM. 

To have a discussion that is relevant to quotes in the bible and the issue at hand. 

Edited October 16, 2023 by Your closest friendnt

[Truswell]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

There is more than one issue that needs to be addressed in this post.

One of them is in the statement in the beginning of the quoted post that says: "Do you think that maybe the ........". The discussion should be about a certain passage in the bible and not about what anyone thinks and yes we should discuss what anyone thinks but after we have first identified the passage in the bible that make us think, then someone can say after reading this in the bible these are my thoughts. Or I am thinking in this way because I read this in the bible. And then the discussion is base on what is in the Bible and the discussion will examine our reactive thinking. Our thoughts and if our thoughts are relevant to the issue at hand. Or someone can say I am thinking those things because I have read something in the bible. 

And this a relevant question triger by the quoted post in the first part of the quoted post.

Where in the bible it is written that "I AM (JESUS)"? before we continue to discuss the questions that follows. 

We need first to examine if  the equation "I AM=JESUS" is expressly stated in the bible and if it is then the bible reference to it. And then we can proceed to discuss the question that follow. 

Someone also may say that "JESUS IS THE I AM" but the  "I AM is not JESUS", or the I AM is not JESUS and JESUS is not the I AM. 

To have a discussion that is relevant to quotes in the bible and the issue at hand. 

1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
 
2 Peter 1:1  Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:
 
Colossians 2:9-10 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority.
 
Hebrews 1:8  But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
 
Isa 47:4 As for our redeemer, the LORD of hosts is his name, the Holy One of Israel.
 
Isa 48:17 Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.
 
Isa 49:26 And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and all flesh shall know that I the LORD, am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.
 
Isa 54:8 In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer.
 
Isa 60:16 Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.
 
Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
 
Revelation 22:13 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”
 
Titus 2:13 Waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

 "Behold, I (Jesus) am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to each one according to the merit of his deeds (earthly works, faithfulness). [Isa_40:10; Jer_17:10; Mat_16:27; 2Co_5:10] I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End [the Eternal One]." [Isa_44:6; Isa_48:12; Joh_10:30]
(Rev 22:12-13)