Any thoughts on this?

[Vine Abider]

One of the main things Jesus came for was to reveal the Father to us.  Why is the title "Father" so important?  A father has offspring in their image and likeness. Once a father brings forth children, they are his, and nothing can change that.  They have his DNA, his biological life and many of his attributes.  They can't somehow not be his children, because they were born of his seed.

We have been born-again of our heavenly Father's seed (Greek: "sperma"). If what is true of us being born of our earthly fathers, do we think it is different with our heavenly Father, Who is infinitely more steadfast and powerful?

Of course not.

What loving fathers do is not kill their offspring or allow them to die (if at all possible).  However, they do test and discipline their children to see what is best for them and their development. The testing can sometimes be severe, in order to somehow save the child.

Notice the verses below from 1st Corinthians 3:13-15. The previous verses talk about how were to be careful with how we build once we're born-again (with wood, hay, stubble or gold, silver, precious stone) - this is regarding our works, not our eternal salvation:

"Each one’s work will be made manifest for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. If anyone’s work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet only so as through fire."

[farouk]

10 minutes ago, Vine Abider said:

One of the main things Jesus came for was to reveal the Father to us.  Why is the title "Father" so important?  A father has offspring in their image and likeness. Once a father brings forth children, they are his, and nothing can change that.  They have his DNA, his biological life and many of his attributes.  They can't somehow not be his children, because they were born of his seed.

We have been born-again of our heavenly Father's seed (Greek: "sperma"). If what is true of us being born of our earthly fathers, do we think it is different with our heavenly Father, Who is infinitely more steadfast and powerful?

Of course not.

What loving fathers do is not kill their offspring or allow them to die (if at all possible).  However, they do test and discipline their children to see what is best for them and their development. The testing can sometimes be severe, in order to somehow save the child.

Notice the verses below from 1st Corinthians 3:13-15. The previous verses talk about how were to be careful with how we build once we're born-again (with wood, hay, stubble or gold, silver, precious stone) - this is regarding our works, not our eternal salvation:

"Each one’s work will be made manifest for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. If anyone’s work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet only so as through fire."

We were looking at John's First Epistle and Romans 8 yesterday and Father, Son and Holy Spirit feature being linked together in the work of redemption. Such an important observation.......

[Vine Abider]

15 minutes ago, farouk said:

We were looking at John's First Epistle and Romans 8 yesterday and Father, Son and Holy Spirit feature being linked together in the work of redemption. Such an important observation.......

Not sure what you are saying here . . . but in any case, God does not do anything part way!!!

[farouk]

25 minutes ago, Vine Abider said:

Not sure what you are saying here . . . but in any case, God does not do anything part way!!!

I reckon we were thinking about the importance of recognizing the Persons of the Godhead..........

[farouk]

3 hours ago, luigi said:

Everyone will choose either to live for their flesh, or to live for their spirit. The former leads to death, while the latter to life.

Romans 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

If we then continue to live for our flesh when we are aware of the truth, there is then no other sacrifice for our sinning (choosing an alternate path).

Hi @luigi Such a tremendous chapter, Romans 8...........

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

2 hours ago, TheBlade said:

It would seem the sweet holy Spirit is convicting you letting you know the way you are doing it is wrong. They drank wine yet never took it so far as to get drunk..not even close. So if you do it and you get drunk then yes its wrong meaning a sin.. 

But it's good to know that I'll still go to heaven anyway, right?

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

2 hours ago, AnOrangeCat said:

People here have provided a lot of good verses from the Bible to back up their positions

Except for one person, everyone seems to believe we go to heaven regardless of what our lifestyle is during this life.

I'm running in to far more people that say you cannot ever lose salvation and very few that say you can

So it seems like how we live doesn't natter at all because we cannot lose salvation once we get saved.  I guess that's why they call it good news right?

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

2 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

 The testing can sometimes be severe, in order to somehow save the child.
 

That would be a waste of time if the kid cannot lose salvation would it not?

[Vine Abider]

6 minutes ago, Stan Murff said:

That would be a waste of time if the kid cannot lose salvation would it not?

If your kids are bad, do you kill them or apply some discipline?

Read 1st Corinthians 3:13-15 and you will see it's about discipline as it says that after the testing "he himself shall be saved, yet as through fire."

From that passage we see that once born-again, the believer's works - what they do after getting saved - will be judged.  And even if they are found wanting (their works are completely burned) they themselves remain saved as God's children.

[Michael37]

1 hour ago, Stan Murff said:

That would be a waste of time if the kid cannot lose salvation would it not?