Any thoughts on this?

[phoneman-777]

23 hours ago, The_Patriot21 said:

But yet, the Greek word used in each case is the one for actual fermented wine.

Not so - the Greek word for "wine" refers to both juice and booze. 

23 hours ago, The_Patriot21 said:

And where did He have Solomon tell us not to even look at booze? 

Proverbs 23:31-32 KJV

[31] Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.

[32] At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder.

If you're interested, here's a short but comprehensive study on the issue, rich with Scripture:
https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/63/t/the-christian-and-alcohol

Edited August 8, 2023 by phoneman-777

[phoneman-777]

22 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

Wednesday Nisan 14. Sorry but most everyone gets this wrong along with all the dispensational nonsense. So very few know scripture well. 

All gone astray, and WHEN that great elevator in the sky does not come for them, then maybe a great falling away of the poorly taught and wrongly learned.

Luke says the day following the crucifixion was a "high Sabbath" referring to the 7th day weekly Sabbath which was made "high" whenever a yearly Jewish sabbath happen to fall on it.

Also, if Jesus died on Wednesday, more than 3 days elapse before the first day of the week when He resurrected before sunrise and His tomb was found empty:

Wednesday: day 1

Thursday: day 2

Friday: day 3

Sabbath: day 4

Sunday: day 5

Some claim the text says "On the first of the weeks" referring to the Feast of Weeks which is claimed to have fallen on Friday and the day when Jesus rose, but that's derived from extreme minority variant readings and is disproved by the "high" Sabbath mentioned by Luke.

Edited August 8, 2023 by phoneman-777

[The_Patriot21]

39 minutes ago, phoneman-777 said:

Not so - the Greek word for "wine" refers to both juice and booze. 

Proverbs 23:31-32 KJV

[31] Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.

[32] At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder.

If you're interested, here's a short but comprehensive study on the issue, rich with Scripture:
https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/63/t/the-christian-and-alcohol

Interesting. A bit out of context, kinda like the Greek word. There's actually two words for wine in Greek, one for non alcoholic one for alcoholic. 

The one used at the marriage feast, and the one Paul used were indeed alcoholic. Last supper, that's up for debate.

Proverbs...yeah it's a bit out of context if you ask me. But, In any case it's not worth dividing over. If you don't want to drink it, that's fine. I'm perfectly ok with that, nowhere in scripture does it say you have to. In fact, its the safer route as scripture does warn against it's misuse. 

Me personally...I enjoy an occasional shot of whiskey and dew. I find it relaxing.

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

4 hours ago, Michael37 said:

 

Are you saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ?

Yes!  And, according to many preachers I have been checking out, all out future sins are already forgiven.

That's what they are all teaching out there and most of these guy are trained scholars so they are the professionals.

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

54 minutes ago, The_Patriot21 said:

The one used at the marriage feast, and the one Paul used were indeed alcoholic. Last supper, that's up for debate.

 

It sounds like drinking alcohol is not a problem then, and who's to say how much is too much?

[Michael37]

17 minutes ago, Stan Murff said:

That's what they are all teaching out there and most of these guy are trained scholars so they are the professionals.

No doubt, but appeal to authority is a fallacy of logic.

What you are being feed is the false doctrine of Perfectionism.

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

I was originally asking if it's really that wrong to get drunk on the weekends.

I doubt that is something a perfectionist would do ha ha

[Michael37]

5 minutes ago, Stan Murff said:

I was originally asking if it's really that wrong to get drunk on the weekends.

I doubt that is something a perfectionist would do ha ha

Yeah, you know perfectionists take great pains, and give them to others. 

 

In Christianity, the doctrine of perfectionism refers to the belief that it is possible for a Christian to achieve perfection in this life. This is also known as Christian perfection or entire sanctification. The ultimate goal of this process is union with God characterized by pure love of God and other people as well as personal holiness or sanctification. However, this doctrine is not universally accepted and is considered a heresy by some Christian denominations¹². [ChatBot]

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

Good idea, I can tell people I get drunk on  the weekends because I'm not perfect!

So who can argue with that since none of us are perfect?

[Michael37]

3 minutes ago, Stan Murff said:

Good idea, I can tell people I get drunk on  the weekends because I'm not perfect!

So who can argue with that since none of us are perfect?

The False Doctrine of Perfectionism boils down to a mistaken belief that anyone who becomes a Christian is instantly perfect, with no need to ask anyone, including God, for forgiveness ever again.