Many false teachers, false prophets, and deceivers were prophesied to come.

[Stewardofthemystery]

Here is a mystery the Lord revealed to me many years ago after receiving the anointing of the Holy Spirit….

I believe the Tree of knowledge to know good from evil, was given to us as “a sign”of the natural law of God.

Notice…

Romans 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is “the knowledge of sin.” (like the tree of knowledge to know good from evil)

When we ate from the tree of the law (knowledge to know good from evil) we then were made aware of our sins, and then our eyes were opened “to sin,” and we then saw our own “nakedness;”just like Adam and Eve.

That knowledge of what we once thought was good for us became death to us because of “sin;”just as the Lord said; the day you eat of it, surely you shall die.(we being “dead” in our trespasses)

Romans 6:23;"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

It was not the fruit of the tree of knowledge that was death to us, just as the law of God is not sin or death.
 

But rather it was the “sinful nature” that worked in our members by the desires of the flesh, being motivated by the spirit of this world; which spirit also worked in our old fleshy minded man.
 

Just as by the first Adam sin entered into the world and death by sin, we also are all firstborn flesh and under the law of sin and death. (for all have sinned)

Romans 7:5;"For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death."

So even though we once thought the natural law of God was life to us, we being evil by nature were deceived, and the natural law (the knowledge to know good from evil) became death to us by reason of our own “sins.”

For without the law sin was dead.

And so the serpent knew this, so the serpent used the command of God against Adam and Eve to bring forth “death.”

For sin is transgressing the law of God. God said thou shalt not, or you will die....the Serpent said you shall, and not die; thereby “deceiving man.”

Romans 7:11;"For “sin”taking occassion by the commandment, “decieved me,” and by it slew me."

Just as the serpent by the lie (sin) took occasion by God's commandment not to eat; then proceeded to “deceive”woman and man. Therefore it was “the sin” of disobeying the commandment of God that brought forth the wage of sin, which is “death.”

But thank God for the mercy He showed us in the spiritual Tree of Life, which is offered to all of us who believe in the remission of our sins through the offering of Jesus Christ our Lord, the very Word of Life made flesh.

Genesis 3:22 “And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:
and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, “and eat,” and “live for ever:”

John 6:54

Whoso “eateth my flesh,” and drinketh my blood, hath “eternal life;” and I will raise him up at the last day.

Peace and God bless

[Your closest friendnt]

3 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

Right, Death is not only physical but also spiritual to God.  Sin is what separates us from God, and if we are separated from God we are also separated from that Eternal Life that is found in Christ.

This is why Jesus came to die for our sins and to make us free from the bondage of Sin and Death.  When we are born again from above of the Holy Spirit we pass from Death to Eternal Life.

John 5:24

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”

 

Adam when he ate from the forbidden fruit he "surely die" even at that time it was not evident to them what was all about but was evident to God and to the Serpent.. 

(This no one can deny)

What we are looking is at what took place there after to come to the Knowledge of what was the common Knowledge between God and the Serpent about "the surely die".

That time they did not died physically if they did that it would not serve the purpose of God of " be fruitful and multiply". 

You suggested that the surely die was a "spiritual Death" towards God. 

And this we need to explore what exactly was...as I do not have your exact definition as to what that is besides that was a separation from God but still we must see it by what followed up.  

After their exit from the Garden, we can observe that God still went to where they were and offered them his fellowship to them very much like in the same way as it was in the Garden, they did not go to where he was but God went to meet them to where they were. 

We can see that nothing had changed regarding to that matter even thought "the surely at that moment you will die" had already taken place.

We can observe that their act of eating from the forbidden fruit did not altered a bid their relationship with God in that perspective. 

They continued to have the fellowship of God just like before. 

Still looking to understand the effects of "the surely die" as it happened at the moment when they disobeyed God and ate from the fruit. 

So do you still believe it was a spiritual death as in separation from God when we see God on his own continued to fellowship with them just like as in the Garden? 

We do not see God telling them that you are dead to me because of your sin..and that the wages of sin is death and total separation from God...just observing something that it cannot be denied. 

Edited August 9, 2023 by Your closest friendnt

[DeighAnn]

2 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

That time they did not died physically if they did that it would not serve the purpose of God of " be fruitful and multiply". 

If a day is 1000 years TO THE LORD as 1000 years a day, then dying before 1000 years would 'fulfill' what was said, and also would keep the fruitful and multiply, correct?  

Is there anywhere you know of that says take from the tree of life ONE TIME and you BECOME immortal or is having ACCESS to eat of it on a regular basis what KEEPS one immortal?  

Do you think that the body Adam was formed in was imperishable but like the ground that was cursed became perishable (corrupted) at the same time?

If it was a 'spiritual death' that immediately took place, then how was it Cain was still talking with God OUTSIDE the garden AFTER he KILLED Able? 

 

[Your closest friendnt]

11 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

If a day is 1000 years TO THE LORD as 1000 years a day, then dying before 1000 years would 'fulfill' what was said, and also would keep the fruitful and multiply, correct?  

Is there anywhere you know of that says take from the tree of life ONE TIME and you BECOME immortal or is having ACCESS to eat of it on a regular basis what KEEPS one immortal?  

Do you think that the body Adam was formed in was imperishable but like the ground that was cursed became perishable (corrupted) at the same time?

If it was a 'spiritual death' that immediately took place, then how was it Cain was still talking with God OUTSIDE the garden AFTER he KILLED Able? 

 

I have thought about some things you brought up for discussion...

We need to look to Genesis as it happened and with Adam and Eve the context was different and no one ever will find them selves in their particular situation, which was that they were deprived from the knowledge of what was good and evil and they did not have the mendal maturity and the same consciousness as Abel and Cain. 

Their children were born with the knowledge of good and evil but not Adam and Eve who did not even know that they were naked. At that stage they cannon be responsible for their actions in the same way Cain was..

It's good you brought up Cain. 

To Cain God spoke in a different way he told him "Sin is crouching at your door and you must not give in to it...to Cain who was born with the knowledge of good and evil. 

Till that time Cain had the fellowship of God but Cain understood that because of his sin (the first time God mentioned the word sin is after Cain killed Adam and not before with Adam and Eve. 

Cain understood that because of his sin and that it was a very serious sin as it was not milking Abel sheep for milk or something else. .taking the wool from the sheep. 

Cain understood that his relationship with God had come to an end because of him killing Abel. 

We can see in the words of Cain that he knew that their relationship was over from his mendal and emotional anguish and he further knew that the people who will find him will kill him for what he had done...that's the time God consoled him when he said no one will kill you for what you did ...

This particular sin is as the sin under the Law it was not forgivable it was written that the wages of this sin is death towards God death towards the community of the people. 

But with Cain God speared his life.

It was in the Covenant of Sinai that the people of God, the only people of God in the whole world who were alive to God and had the sacrifices to continue to be alive to God that when they killed someone there is not forgiveness of that sin and they were other sins also the offender was cut off from God was not alive to God..dead to God with a period. 

And cut off from the congregation of God which was a congregation of alive people to God....

Not with Jesus Christ who died for the forgiveness of all sins even the sins that were not forgiven under the Law. 

And because of the continue eternal fountain of the blood of the Lamb we are in his continue Atonement of our sins....that's why we can say that Jesus is our peace with God.

(About the 1.ooo years as one day I can not comment because is not mentioned in Genesis and I will not bring it....because the concept of a day to one 1000 years it simply means " do not puss it for things to happened because not going to happen when we get the knowledge about something but in the timing of God which is many generations ahead.

This is what Peter finally said to believers who complained where is the Lord why he has not come yet...Peter put them to silence but him also at first had believed that the Lord will come in his life time and perhaps Jesus told him that to cured his own anxiety and the others...so they can go on and focus on other things.. 

[Stewardofthemystery]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

We can see that nothing had changed regarding to that matter even thought "the surely at that moment you will die" had already taken place.

We can observe that their act of eating from the forbidden fruit did not altered a bid their relationship with God in that perspective. 

They continued to have the fellowship of God just like before. 

Still looking to understand the effects of "the surely die" as it happened at the moment when they disobeyed God and ate from the fruit. 

So do you still believe it was a spiritual death as in separation from God when we see God on his own continued to fellowship with them just like as in the Garden? 

We do not see God telling them that you are dead to me because of your sin..and that the wages of sin is death and total separation from God...just observing something that it cannot be denied. 

Being separated from God by sin was why Adam was “cast out”of paradise, Eternal life was lost because of sin.

Genesis 3:23-24

King James Version

23 Therefore the Lord God “sent him forth from the garden of Eden,”to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24 “So he drove out the man;” and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.”

But in the above we see God already had a remedy for that separation by sin in the Tree of Life, and a Way to guide men back into the paradise of God which would be by The Word of Life in Jesus Christ.

[Stewardofthemystery]

Being separated from God’s presence by sin is the spiritual death…

Most people think of death as physical, but there is also a spiritual death.
 

In the Genesis account God told Adam that in “the day”he ate from the tree of knowledge that he would surely die. But the day Adam sinned against Gods command, he did not “physically die,” so what death was God talking about?

God was talking about the spiritual death that takes place when we sin.

Being separated from Gods presence is also a part of this spiritual death.

We see this in Adam, and also in Cain, who after killing his brother was “cast out”of Gods presence, and marked.

God said in Isaiah 59:2

2 But your “iniquities” have “separated”between you and your God, and “your sins”have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

Paul said in Col 2:13 and Ephesians 2:1that we were “dead in our sins.”

 It is written in Ezekiel 18:20 that “the soul that sins”it shall “die.”

Paul also said in 1Tim.5:6that the woman who lives in pleasure “is dead” while she lives.

So to God you are “dead spiritually”while you are yet alive in the body because of sin.

Just as Jesus said in Matthew 8:23 to let the dead bury their dead.

It is also written that to be carnally minded is “death.”

So the issue of sin must be dealt with so that we can be reconciled back to “the presence of God.”

God said in Ezekiel 18:31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

We know we cannot make ourselves a new heart and a new spirit, but God can.

Which is why God sent His Son Jesus Christ to reconcile us back to God’s presence through His sacrifice on the cross.

And through Christ we have the forgiveness of past sins, and we are also empowered by Him to overcome future sin by spiritual rebirth.

When this spiritual rebirth happens we pass from Death unto Life.

Jesus said in John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”

When we get victory over the mark of sin by Faith in Jesus Christ, we also get victory over the name, which is Death.

Peace

[Stewardofthemystery]

2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

They continued to have the fellowship of God just like before. 

Still looking to understand the effects of "the surely die" as it happened at the moment when they disobeyed God and ate from the fruit. 

So do you still believe it was a spiritual death as in separation from God when we see God on his own continued to fellowship with them just like as in the Garden? 

We do not see God telling them that you are dead to me because of your sin..and that the wages of sin is death and total separation from God...just observing something that it cannot be denied. 

You cannot have “fellowship with God” if you are still “dead in your sins.” It is sin that causes death, and it is sin that causes man to be separated from the Light of Life in God and Christ.

Notice….

1 John 1:5-7

King James Version

5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is “no darkness at all.”

6 If we say that we have “fellowship with him,” and walk in darkness,(in sin) we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.”

So you cannot be in fellowship with God or Christ if you are still living in sin.

 

[DeighAnn]

2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Till that time Cain had the fellowship of God but Cain understood that because of his sin (the first time God mentioned the word sin is after Cain killed Adam and not before with Adam and Eve. 

I agree the word sin isn't written till after but with the

3And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.

4And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

we are shown that they had come to know about making 'offerings' to God, so they had quite a bit of knowledge...and GOD was speaking to them, so for us to assume they were ignorant of the ways of God I personally believe would be a mistake.  But that is really neither here nor there concerning this discussion.  

If you answered my questions I missed them.  If you are going to, they are 1. was there a BODY change from non-corruptible to corruptible like the earth became corrupted and 2. were they 'immortal' because of access to the tree of life on the daily which would have been no problem up UNTIL the sin and 3. you answered with a no comment which is cool as these are just opinion questions as far as I know as I have not run across any details myself one way or the other yet.   So, if not on those others, again, no problem

[DeighAnn]

2 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

In the Genesis account God told Adam that in “the day”he ate from the tree of knowledge that he would surely die. But the day Adam sinned against Gods command, he did not “physically die,” so what death was God talking about?

If we believe 

"But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." 2 Peter 3:8 KJV

then he did die IN THE DAY because he died at 930.  

When we add 

"For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive." 1 Corinthians 15:22 KJV

it HAS TO BE a physical death because of all those who are never 'born from above' or chose DEATH or are born for destruction all die a physical death while NEVER having been born of the spirit while they lived, so can't die a spiritual death being born with it.

"But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now." Galatians 4:29 KJV

"That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." John 3:6 KJV


9The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

10But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

11Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.

12But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

13And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;

14Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

15Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;

16But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.

or am I seeing this wrong?  

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

5 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

You cannot have “fellowship with God” if you are still “dead in your sins.” It is sin that causes death, and it is sin that causes man to be separated from the Light of Life in God and Christ.

Sounds you believe one can lose salvation after having been saved.