The Problem With Evolution Part 2- Animals

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, RV_Wizard said:

  The Barbarian said:

And you, rather than God is who decides when it is? 

Actually, it's the language itself.  Like any other word, its meaning depends on its context. 

I never cease to be amazed at what you post!!  You actually state the reality of how to understand the meaning of words, but you totally contradict yourself in your consistent stubborness about "tohu wabohu".

It CANNOT describe any kind of creative activity in Gen 1:2 when it clearly describes the total destruction of the land in Jer 4:23 and Isa 34:11.

So your own words REFUTE your own beliefs.  Not a good place to be in.

[Sparks]

5 hours ago, Diamond said:

You did not even come close, you were not even in the ball park. 

You say this only because you don't understand what science is, and what it isn't.  I think what you meant to say that science is in the wrong ball park and cannot work properly to align with the Bible. 

It is like saying "This screwdriver aligns perfectly with the Bible!"

[The Barbarian]

3 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

Actually, it's the language itself.  Like any other word, its meaning depends on its context.

The "context" seems to be "whatever I want it to be."

 

[The Barbarian]

3 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

When the Bible says, "the evening and morning were the first day," there is no chance that means a million years; not in English, not in Hebrew, not in any language. 

Thus "yom", in its context, is sometimes translated as: "time" (Gen 4:3, Is. 30:8); "year" (I Kings 1:1, 2 Chronicles 21:19, Amos 4:4); "age" (Gen 18:11, 24:1 and 47:28; Joshua 23:1 and 23:2); "always" (Deuteronomy 5:29, 6:24 and 14:23, and in 2 Chronicles 18:7); "season" (Genesis 40:4, Joshua 24:7, 2 Chronicles 15:3); epoch or 24-hour day (Genesis 1:5,8,13,19,23,31) – see "Creationism", below.

Yom relates to the concept of time. Yom is not just for day, days, but for time in general. How yom is translated depends on the context of its use with other words in the sentence around it, using hermeneutics.^[11]

The word day is used somewhat the same way in the English language, examples: "In my grandfather's day, cars did not go very fast" or "In the day of the dinosaurs there were not many mammals."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom

So your assumptions are again, wrong.

 

[RV_Wizard]

3 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

 You actually state the reality of how to understand the meaning of words, but you totally contradict yourself in your consistent stubborness about "tohu wabohu".

It’s not my fault you don’t understand how quotations work.

[FreeGrace]

7 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

 

  FreeGrace said:

 You actually state the reality of how to understand the meaning of words, but you totally contradict yourself in your consistent stubborness about "tohu wabohu".

It’s not my fault you don’t understand how quotations work.

Said the confused one.  The reality is that it IS your fault for your own confusion.

Explain WHY Jeremiah would use a description of a creative process when he was warning of coming total destruction of the land.

Then everyone who reads this thread will actually understand who doesn't understand how quotations work.

[Diamond]

4 hours ago, Sparks said:

You say this only because you don't understand what science is, and what it isn't. 

Now we know about you, but what about me? You have not learned yet that you are ALWAYS guilty of what you accuse others of. You cannot deal with it in yourself, so you project it out on others. You need to make peace with yourself and ask God to help you with your own inner conflicts. 

[RV_Wizard]

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

Explain WHY Jeremiah would use a description of a creative process when he was warning of coming total destruction of the land.

He described a land with nothing left in it and compared it to a world where nothing had been created.  Void=void.

[RV_Wizard]

3 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

The word day is used somewhat the same way in the English language, examples: "In my grandfather's day, cars did not go very fast" or "In the day of the dinosaurs there were not many mammals."

Wow!  You just refuted your own claim.  Next time, do it sooner and save me the effort.

[Diamond]

3 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

The "context" seems to be "whatever I want it to be."

That is what they teach in Bible school: context defines definition. This is pretty much the blind leading the blind. In Hebrew every letter has a meaning. If you want to know the meaning of a word then study the letters that make up that word. Esp the first letter. This is true for all of the Bible. The first world is beginning. If we understood the meaning of this word we would understand all of the Bible. Even the first letter in the Bible is B which represents a tent or a tabernacle. This is an expression of God's desire to be a part of His creation. Even a part of the lowers part of His creation. God wants to dwell in us and with us. 

The first letter of the Bible in Hebrew is actually “Bet” (ב), which indeed symbolizes a house or dwelling place12. This aligns with the idea that God desires to dwell among His people, reflecting His intimate connection with His creation1. The concept of God wanting to be with us and within us is a powerful reminder of His love and presence in our lives.