The Problem With Evolution Part 2- Animals

[The Barbarian]

1 minute ago, RV_Wizard said:

Wow!  You just refuted your own claim.

As you just learned, the word covers hundreds of millions of years, not just a million years.

"Yom relates to the concept of time. Yom is not just for day, days, but for time in general. "

This is why God uses "yom" as He does in Genesis, and why Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 would contradict each other, if your assumption was correct.

 

 

[Sparks]

9 minutes ago, Diamond said:

You have not learned yet that you are ALWAYS guilty of what you accuse others of.

I mean no offense, but you might benefit by taking a short primer on logic so that you don't keep arriving at the wrong conclusions. 

[Diamond]

5 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Preposterous!!

God does not and He cannot contradict Himself. He gives us Science and He gives us the Bible. Of course people try to twist both out of context to serve their agenda. That is why we need a proper understanding of Science and a proper understanding of the Bible. When we understand both we see there is no conflict and no contradiction. 

I personally do not believe God can break the natural laws of physics. They are very exact and very precise. It is amazing how fine tuned our Universe is. 

[Diamond]

16 minutes ago, Sparks said:

I mean no offense, but you might benefit by taking a short primer on logic so that you don't keep arriving at the wrong conclusions. 

Again and I can say this as many times as you want me to. You need to do a study on projection so you can see how you are projecting your inner conflicts out on others. Start with Wiki, they have an article on this. 

Psychological projection is a defense mechanism where a person unconsciously attributes their own feelings, thoughts, or behaviors to another person or group. It's a common way to deal with uncomfortable emotions, thoughts, or impulses, and can be caused by stress or lifestyle choices.

Everyone does this and I always know when they understand because they are able to catch me doing this also. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

[Sparks]

16 minutes ago, Diamond said:

Again and I can say this as many times as you want me to. You need to do a study on projection so you can see how you are projecting your inner conflicts out on others. Start with Wiki, they have an article on this. 

Psychological projection is a defense mechanism where a person unconsciously attributes their own feelings, thoughts, or behaviors to another person or group. It's a common way to deal with uncomfortable emotions, thoughts, or impulses, and can be caused by stress or lifestyle choices.

Everyone does this and I always know when they understand because they are able to catch me doing this also.

I will let you believe that if you wish.  I appreciate the chat, but I don't ever find our conversations rewarding because we seem to talk past one another.  So forgive me if you notice I have chosen to just deal with others on this thread.  God bless.

[Diamond]

1 hour ago, Sparks said:

I don't ever find our conversations rewarding

People Abuse Science and people Abuse the Bible. But you can not throw the baby out with the bath water.

[Diamond]

7 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

Thus "yom", in its context, is sometimes translated as: "time" (Gen 4:3

This is not yom from Genesis chapter one, this is a different word in Genesis 4 3.  י֔וֹם    יָמִ֑ים
yā-mîm;
yō-wm,

[FreeGrace]

4 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

FreeGrace said:

Explain WHY Jeremiah would use a description of a creative process when he was warning of coming total destruction of the land.

He described a land with nothing left in it and compared it to a world where nothing had been created.  Void=void.

At least this was an attempt.  For the first time.  However, the world WAS created already.  So it couldn't have been without form.  There is NOTHING in Genesis 1 that lends to creating "form" for the earth, which is a sphere, meaning a 3 dimensional circle.

It is impossible to assign formlessness to any planet.  Even totally naked, the planet earth was STILL a sphere.  So the description of being "formless" is STILL bogus.

But go ahead and continue to ignore the TWO contexts that clearly inform us of the STATE of the planet.  Tohu wabohu describes what a besieging army that destroys nations does to the land.

Jer 4-

7 - A lion has gone up from his thicket, a destroyer of nations has set out; he has gone out from his place to make your land a waste; your cities will be ruins
without inhabitant.   The green words describe "tohu wabohu" perfectly.

16 - Warn the nations that he is coming; announce to Jerusalem, “Besiegers come from a distant land; they shout against the cities of Judah.

Trying to compare a context of an empty earth before God Got around to finishing it with a besieging army that destroys nations and "makes the land a WASTE" with cities that "will be in RUINS W/O INHABITANT" couldn't be more absurd.

Jeremiah clearly understands what the besieging army that destroys nations is going to do to the land:  tohu wabohu.  

Your claim about WHY Jeremiah quoted from Gen 1:2 FAILS.

The word "tohu" occurs 7 times in the OT without "wabohu".  Here they are:

tohu -

 

Gen 1:2 - formless

1 Sam 12:21 - futile things NASB ISB, useless NIV, worthless Christian Standard Bible

Job 26:7 - desolation literal standard version, waste place Aramaic Bible in Plan English

Isa 34:11 -  chaos NIV Berean Standard Bible, confusion ESV KJV ASV, desolation NASB,

Isa 45:18 - waste place NASB Christian Standard Bible ASV ERV JPS Tanakh, chaos ISV NRSV

Isa 45:19 - wasteland NASB Berean Standard Bible Christian Standard Bible, chaos ISV

Isa 59:4 - confusion (empty words) NASB Legacy Standard Bible, worthless words Christian Standard Bible

Jer 4:23 - formless ISV, waste ASV ERV JPS Tank NAB NET NRSV New Heart English Bible World English Bible Youngs Literal Translation, chaos Aramaic Bible in Plain English

Nothing that is observed can be “formless”.  So Gen 1:2 and her 4:23 are in error.  The other places where tohu is found are shown in various translations.

Given how tohu wabohu is translated throughout the OT, it is obvious that it was not translated correctly in Gen 1:2.

Obviously.  

 

 

[FreeGrace]

4 hours ago, Diamond said:

FreeGrace said:

Preposterous!!

God does not and He cannot contradict Himself

Of course He can't.

4 hours ago, Diamond said:

He gives us Science and He gives us the Bible.

Error again.  God gave us creation, the written Word and the Living Word.

4 hours ago, Diamond said:

Of course people try to twist both out of context to serve their agenda.

Yes, I've seen how have been doing that over and over.

4 hours ago, Diamond said:

That is why we need a proper understanding of Science and a proper understanding of the Bible.

As I have already pointed out, if anyone could reach spiritual maturity from science, there would be NO atheist scientists.  Yet, we have just the opposite.  Which proves your claims erroneous.

4 hours ago, Diamond said:

When we understand both we see there is no conflict and no contradiction.

I don't have any problem between them.  But MOST of the scientists sure do.  Now, given what you keep saying, why is that?

4 hours ago, Diamond said:

I personally do not believe God can break the natural laws of physics.

OK, good for you.  But then, you are forced to deny every miracle that Jesus did and even creation itself.  

To think that God is bound by the natural laws of physics for man is absurd.

4 hours ago, Diamond said:

They are very exact and very precise. It is amazing how fine tuned our Universe is. 

It's not because of science.  It is because God is sovereign, omniscient and very very smart.

[FreeGrace]

3 hours ago, Diamond said:

People Abuse Science and people Abuse the Bible. But you can not throw the baby out with the bath water.

To equate them is ludicrous.