Seventieth Week?Seven Year Tribulation

[OneAccord]

The following is a very interesting argument against the seven year tribulation. I was particularly surprised at the traditional interpretation of the 'he' in Daniel 9:27 being Jesus Christ and NOT the antichrist by well-known commentators such as Matthew Henry. I'd love to hear some comments on this:

The 70th Week of Daniel Delusion

(Taken from Chapter 5 of Steve Wohlberg's eye-opening book, Exploding the Israel Deception)

In 1945, after months of agonizing deliberation, President Harry Truman finally decided to drop an atomic bomb upon Japan. Right or wrong, the ultimate goal of his decision was to end World War II and to prevent the death of millions. So, on August 6, a bomb called the "Little Boy" fell on Hiroshima. Three days later, another bomb called the "Fat Man" dropped on Nagasaki. Approximately 130,000 people were instantly vaporized. Many have argued whether or not it was the right thing to drop those bombs. But in the minds of those who made that decision, it was for the ultimate good of America.

Dear friend, it is for the ultimate good of the entire evangelical world for God

[BlindSeeker]

One Accord,

This is the same information I submitted in my thread "Why I don't believe in the 7 year Tribulation"

-reposted below -

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Greetings my Brother,

I give the time I can where I feel it is best spent . . . I feel I have wasted no time in our friendship or reasoning of the things pertaining to God

[Guest shadow2b]

The following is a very interesting argument against the seven year tribulation.  I was particularly surprised at the traditional interpretation of the 'he' in Daniel 9:27 being Jesus Christ and NOT the antichrist by well-known commentators such as Matthew Henry.  I'd love to hear some comments on this:

The 70th Week of Daniel Delusion

(Taken from Chapter 5 of Steve Wohlberg's eye-opening book, Exploding the Israel Deception)

In 1945, after months of agonizing deliberation, President Harry Truman finally decided to drop an atomic bomb upon Japan. Right or wrong, the ultimate goal of his decision was to end World War II and to prevent the death of millions. So, on August 6, a bomb called the "Little Boy" fell on Hiroshima. Three days later, another bomb called the "Fat Man" dropped on Nagasaki. Approximately 130,000 people were instantly vaporized. Many have argued whether or not it was the right thing to drop those bombs. But in the minds of those who made that decision, it was for the ultimate good of America.

Dear friend, it is for the ultimate good of the entire evangelical world for God

[BlindSeeker]

HEyyyyyyyy thaR--WeLL my comment MAY just send shockwaves thru the churchworld--at least on this topic & my {opinion??} of the great BIBLE commentators---ahhhhhhh well--so-be-it-First let me state {MY opinion??}on the BIBLE  commentators in this article{ by the way just where?? did you dig this UP from??} . . .

Hello Gary,

Seeing as to how I, too, commented on this article with obvious consenting approval, I quess that would make me one of those

[OneAccord]

The only way modern Bible commentators (pop theologists) can make the 70th week/ 7 year tribulation theory work is to put a parenthesis in between the 69th week and the 70th.

I listened to Dr. David Jeremiah's whole series on the Book of Daniel last year and when he came to this passage about the 'antichrist' he explained that when Jesus came the 69th week ended. Then began the Church Age which had been hidden as a mystery until Christ revealed it. We have been building the church ever since, and when the last person comes in (the fullness of the Gentiles) then the parenthesis closes and the 70th week begins. Sounds pretty good, eh? It made sense to me at the time, being fairly new at exegesis!

Is it a stretch to put this parenthesis in there or is this sound doctrine? For me this traditional interpretation of 9:27 certainly puts that all into question.

The danger inherent in all this is the popular theory that the church gets raptured out of here before the Great Tribulation so none of us even have to deal with the Mark or any of the other horrors and plagues. Is this a grand deception being promulgated by the Left Behind craze? Are Christians ready to face the trials and tribualtions of the saints and to overcome or do they think they are just gonna check out when it starts getting hot? This seems to be a fairly serious issue to consider.

[OneAccord]

And if the seventieth week which is for the

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings All,

Man, I can see the bereting I am going to take on this one. I agree with the main point of Jesus being the "he" in Daniel 9:27, but as for the 7 last years of Daniel's 70 weeks being completed, I must disagree.

Several reasons for this is that indeed, this prophecy was given to and for the Jews in response to Daniel's prayers for the "salvation (restoration of righteousness with God) of his people - Israel". So I must ask, "Has this occurred yet?" What does the NT say:

Romans 11:26-27 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

and WHEN does this occur?

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

So we see that the restoration of Israel to "righteousness" has YET TO OCCUR and won't occur till the "fulness of the Gentiles be come in (to the Kingdom of God)." And then will be the time of "salvation of the Jews":

Romans 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

There MUST also come a time of FULNESS to the Jews of their entry into the Kingdom of God. (Read Eph 1-3)

As for the TIME question. Of the LAST 7 YEARS OF THE DANIEL PROPHECY, the first 3 1/2 years were fulfilled by Jesus during His ministry which is clearly revealed in:

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Then we also have a supporting passage to this here:

Romans 9:28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.

4932 suntemno {soon-tem'-no}

from 4862 and the base of 5114;; v

AV - cut short 1, short 1; 2

1) to cut in pieces

2) to cut short

3) metaph.

3a) to dispatch briefly, execute or finish quickly

3b) to hasten

3c) a short word i.e. an expedited prophecy or decree

At the cross the Jews hearts were hardened so that the gentiles would receive the Gospel message. Their "restoration to righteousness" was CUT SHORT by the mediating work of Jesus Christ and the GOSPEL MESSAGE.

So there is INDEED a "paranthesis" in the 70th week, but in the MIDDLE of it, and NOT at the beginning where many try to place it today.

So what is left is 3 1/2 years of the 70th week left remaining wherein the Book of Revelation shall be fulfilled for the most part. All the references to 3 1/2 years of Revelation is referring to this last half of Daniel's 70th week.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[Matthitjah]

Okay way off topic but here goes,

If the Fulness of the Prophets and the Law was Jesus Christ?

Daniel 9 speaks of the plan for the Jewish People and their restoration of fulness of purpose. Accomplished by the Messiah. Redemption of them and the whole world.

Why does fulness of Gentiles mean a number? Why not the fulfillment of purpose now being realized? The redemptive plan of Jesus Christ. Accomplished thru His people in the fulness of the prophets and the Law.

If we the Church were not fully living in the fulfillment of the Law which is now written on our hearts? That is to say we were cursing Israel and Christs plan of redemption. By saying the blessing has passed from Israel to the Church. What would be fulness but the realization of this error and the correction of it. The Gospel went to us so as to provoke Israel to jealousy. Have we done this? Or have we persecuted them?

The fulness of the Jews would be for them to repent and seek mercy. Thereby aligning themselves with the redemptive plan of Messiah. That He would come defend them and rule and reign from Jerusalem. Bringing far more than richs for the gentiles and richs for the world.

Why is fulness of Gentiles a number and not fulness of purpose under G-d?

Peace :il: Amen

[tsth]

Oh, Dr. Luke,

I don't think it's off topic at all. Wonderful post!

John 1:16

And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace.

Ro 11:12

Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!

Ro 11:25

For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.

Ro 15:29

But I know that when I come to you, I shall come in the fullness of the blessing of the gospel of Christ.

1Co 10:26

for "the earth is the Lord's, and all its fullness."

1Co 10:28

But if anyone says to you, "This was offered to idols," do not eat it for the sake of the one who told you, and for conscience' sake; for "the earth is the Lord's, and all its fullness."

Ga 4:4

But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law,

Eph 1:10

that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth--in Him.

Eph 1:23

which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

Eph 3:19

to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.

Eph 4:13

till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ;

Col 1:19

For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell,

Col 2:9

For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;

In His Love,

Suzanne

[tsth]

If the Fulness of the Prophets and the Law was Jesus Christ?

Daniel 9 speaks of the plan for the Jewish People and their restoration of fulness of purpose. Accomplished by the Messiah. Redemption of them and the whole world.

Why does fulness of Gentiles mean a number? Why not the fulfillment of purpose now being realized? The redemptive plan of Jesus Christ. Accomplished thru His people in the fulness of the prophets and the Law.

If we the Church were not fully living in the fulfillment of the Law which is now written on our hearts? That is to say we were cursing Israel and Christs plan of redemption.

Romans 8:4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

In His Love,

Suzanne