The top reasons why the Anti-Christ can not rule the Whole World

[Diaste]

7 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

What you did here was dodge the very facts I put forth. The 7 Headed 10 Horned Beast is a specific area of the world, it has not changed, its always been about the Mediterranean Sea Region in every case. The Last Beast (A.C. of the E.U.) is no different, he will be from an area with proximity to the MSR and he will conquer Israel and the MSR, don't believe me? Read it in a play by play point of emphasis in Dan. 11:40-45.

Dan 8

“Behold, I will make known to you what will happen in the latter time of wrath, because it concerns the appointed time of the end.

20The two-horned ram that you saw represents the kings of Media and Persia. 21The shaggy goat represents the king of Greece,b and the large horn between his eyes is the first king. 22The four horns that replaced the broken one represent four kingdoms that will rise from that nation, but will not have the same power.

Those four horns are the Diadochi.

Dan 11

Now then, I will tell you the truth: Three more kings will arise in Persia, and then a fourth, who will be far richer than all the others. By the power of his wealth, he will stir up everyone against the kingdom of Greece.a

3Then a mighty king will arise, who will rule with great authority and do as he pleases. 4But as soon as he is established, his kingdom will be broken up and parceled out toward the four winds of heaven. It will not go to his descendants, nor will it have the authority with which he ruled, because his kingdom will be uprooted and given to others.

This is also the Diadochi and is a retelling of the Dan 8 interpretation of the dream.

Further, in Dan 11

"29At the appointed time he will invade the South again, but this time will not be like the first. 30Ships of Kittimg will come against him, and he will lose heart. Then he will turn back and rage against the holy covenant and do damage. So he will return and show favor to those who forsake the holy covenant. 31His forces will rise up and desecrate the temple fortress. They will abolish the daily sacrifice and set up the abomination of desolation."

This occurred when AE IV was confronted by Rome

"In Eleusis, a suburb of Alexandria, the Roman ambassador, Gaius Popillius Laenas, presented Antiochus with the ultimatum that he evacuate Egypt and Cyprus immediately. Antiochus, taken by surprise, asked for time to consider. Popillius, however, drew a circle in the earth around the king with his walking stick and demanded an unequivocal answer before Antiochus left the circle. Dismayed by this public humiliation, the king quickly agreed to comply. "

Then Antiochus Epiphanes IV, grandson of Seleucus I Nicator, went back to Israel and violently subjugated Jerusalem and profaned the temple. Here we see the precursor of the willful king in Dan 11:36-39. 

Dan 11 narrative follows the Seleucid empire of the Mesopotamian region. 

Jesus said to look to Daniel for the understanding of the A of D. 

Part of that understanding is who places the A of D. 

It's a person from Mesopotamia and possibility a descendant of Seleucus. 

7 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Because of Daniel 8:9 we know he Conquers Towards the East, South and Israel and thus he will conquer Seleucus (Turkey), Israel and Ptolemy (Egypt). So, lets look at a map of the Four Generals then look at Dan. 11:40-45.

Lysimachus ruled Asia Minor, Seleucus held the vast Mesopotamian region from the Levant to the Indus Valley. 

7 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

 

So, he conquers "COUNTRIES" to get at Israel in Dan. 11, and he conquers towards the east, south and Israel in Dan. 8:9. Meaning he conquers from the Northwest corridor or Cassander/Greece in this end time war.

No one said he didn't conquer countries. You said it was a limited region when the text says 'all'. That 'all' is based on awe and wonder, not physically taking the dirt. Win the mind, win the war. 

7 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Dan. 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

That doesn't require he come from the west. If the power base is centered in Mesopotamia, say Babylon, then the prophecy is still true. And there is another possibility.

7 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Now lets look at the Daniel 11 passages and combine this knowledge.

Dan. 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north(Anti-Christ/Little Horn of Dan. 7 & 8) shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

{{{ The A.C. has to enter other countries to get at Israel, adding Dan. 8:9 to the equation we know he conquers Turkey (Seleucus) and thus Lebanon, Syria and Jordan. and then Israel as seen below (Pleasant Land) in vs. 41, but he is not allowed to conquer Edom, Moab or Ammon (where the end time Jews flee unto in the Central and Southern Jordan mountains), so this is the Anti-Christ. He overthrows MANY COUNTRIES, not just Israel. }}}

 

From what I read the AC is based in Israel.

7 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

 

 

41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.

42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. 43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many. 45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

 

7 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

{{{ He also conquers all of North Africa, as verses 42 & 43 shows. The fact that tidings out of the East & North (China and Russia) trouble him should clue us in he's not a OWG figurehead. He conquers Israel and the MSR, then North Africa and gets killed in Jerusalem. THAT'S IT !! There is no other conquest by this man ever mentioned anywhere. }}}

Sure there is. 

" and the whole world marveled and followed the beast. 4They worshiped the dragon who had given authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can wage war against it?”"

That is a successful conquest of the minds and hearts of the entire world, all except those whose names are written in the book of life.

"14Because of the signs it was given to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived those who dwell on the earth, telling them to make an image to the beast that had been wounded by the sword and yet had lived. 15The second beast was permitted to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship it to be killed."

The second of a two pronged attack on the minds and hearts of the whole world.

This is where the battle is won and lost. The beast wins over all except those whose names are written in the book of life.

 

[Diaste]

19 hours ago, Last Daze said:

He has a global army of deceived people eager to do his bidding and rid the world of Christians.

This is interesting. I just watched a video yesterday, literally last evening, where a person said the very same thing. He claims there are millions of them and they are just waiting for the signal to begin the purge.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

7 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

The entire world is a healthy play ground for anti-christs.

I'm talking about THE anti-christ... which is why I don't think THE anti-christ will not limit putting the mark on just the Jews, but on the entire world and those that don't accept the mark cannot buy or sell.

It's becoming more of a reality every day that one central system can control everyone's credit and debit cards... once they do away with cash they can control people's money real easy by killing their credit and debit cards.

 

Not according to God's Word....

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

 

So you don't think there's going to be a one world government?



 

The only country that I know of that has said it's wants a cashless society and wants to put markers in people is Israel.

Which just so happens to be the most antichrist government in the world.

But thats by John's standards,not yours.

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

9 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

You don't understand the word then. My blog on those chapter from 7 years ago destroys those false notions.

So you think 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 needs to be removed from God's Word??? 

And Tommy Ice is in serious error as there are other passages that speak of Christians departing from the faith and falling away that he fails to acknowledge, such as:

1 Timothy 4:1,2
Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron

2 Timothy 4:3,4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine (teaching); but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

2 Peter 2:1-3
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying (contradicting, Not agreeing with) the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
And through covetousness (idolatry) shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingers not, and their damnation slumbers not.

Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness (no self control, living after the flesh), and denying (contradicting, opposing Jesus’ teachings) the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. (referring to false teachers and false brethren - see Matthew 13:24-30)
(Deny = Strong's G0720… to contradict, disavow, reject, deny, refuse - and Strong's G4483… the idea of pouring forth, to utter, speak of or say, command)

Jude 1:17-21
Remember the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
These are those who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
But you, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
("those who separate themselves" is not referring to sinners in the world who were never joined unto the Lord in the first place)

Acts 20:27-30
For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

 

Edited September 24, 2023 by Stan Murff

[Last Daze]

8 hours ago, Diaste said:

This is interesting. I just watched a video yesterday, literally last evening, where a person said the very same thing. He claims there are millions of them and they are just waiting for the signal to begin the purge.

 

Well, I'm not sure about millions being prepositioned, could be true.  But when the man of sin deceives the masses with his whizbangery, he will have a rabid following.

[Last Daze]

15 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

You are correct on the offspring to a point (I will interpret the Woman's Remnant shortly to make sure we see it the same way).  But you are making the exact same mistake as those who see the "whole earth" and do not understand it means only the earth in the Mediterranean Sea Region, and only the Nations and Peoples of the MSR area, so he will kill the Gentile Church Remnant but only in his MSR area. So, he will kill the "REST" in the 7 Headed 10 Horned area, ONLY. 

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman(Angry with the 1//3 who repented and fled to Petra), and went to make war with the remnant(Small part that is left) of her seed(Jesus is THAT ONE SEED as Gal. 3:16 tells us), which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

So, this Remnant of Jesus the Seed can not be the 1/3 of Israel who repents because the Dragon can't not reach the 1/3 with his A.C. Army so he TURNS and goes after the Remnant of her (Israel's) SEED (Jesus). BUT.........they have to have the testimony of Jesus and the 2/3 refused to repent, Zech. 13:8-9 says, so it can't be them, besides 2/3 is not a Remnant, so this can only be the Remnant Gentile Church who is getting killed by this man, since the Church is raptured pre trib that makes perfect sense. But its still only ALL THEM in the MSR that he comes against. 

Nonsense.

Let's try again.

Abraham will surely become a great and powerful nation, and all nations on earth will be blessed through him.  Genesis 18:18

Are only the Mediterranean nations to be blessed through Abraham?  NO.

And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.  Matt 24:14

The gospel is to be preached to only the Mediterranean nations?  NO

Since Christians are in all nations in the whole world, and the man of sin persecutes Christians, the man of sin's persecution reaches around the whole world.  The following verses bear that out:

It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority was given to him over every tribe, people, language, and nation.  Rev 13:7

After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude [from the great tribulation] which no one could count, from every nation and all the tribes, peoples, and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands.  Rev 7:9

The language makes it clear.  This whole nonsense is predicated on a pretrib rapture which makes it even more dubious.  One error leading to another.

[Revelation Man]

3 hours ago, Diaste said:

This is also the Diadochi and is a retelling of the Dan 8 interpretation of the dream.

 

I wouldn't say its a retelling per se, but a more in depth understanding was given unto Daniel in a dream that spans from Dan. 10 through Dan. 12, its one dream where Daniel is shown that spiritual powers in the heavens will try to resist this change in Dan. 10, but t no avail in the end as Michael overcomes the 21 day resistance.  Then we get the whole Greek Kingdoms from Alexander the Great to Antiochus the type Anti-Christ in verses 21-33/34ish, and a transition in vs. 35 which shows us many get saved (in Jesus we know know) all the way to the very end, then we get the End Time A.C./Beast in verses 36-45. This is what the vision is all about, this end time A.C./Beast has a man named Antiochus who will be a type A.C. therefore by looking at him closely we can get clues to what the Anti-Christ/Little Horn will be like. We also get his military plans in Daniel 11:40-43. 

Then in Daniel 12 we get a very key instruction that most people do not grasp, as in 99.9 percent, no one gets it. The 1260, 1290 and 1335 are all numbered days of "Events" that happen the very numbered of days they are all given until all of these WONDERS (Dan. 11:36-45) ENDS (by what we now know is Jesus' Second Coming. Thus the 1335 happens first, the 1290 next and lastly the 1260, the KEY is figuring out what the three events are, the 1260 is pretty easy, the Anti-Christ is written about so much that it became very obvious he was the 1260 event. The False Prophet 1290 was cloaked by God for a reason, John was given the understanding of a coming False Prophet only after Israel was basically no longer a nation, if Daniel had been given a full, clear understanding of a coming False Prophet, then for the next 500 years wary Jewish leaders would have been looking for this coming evil man and no doubt would have killed many innocent High Priests trying to avoid this prophecy, after all, did not King Herod try to kill baby Jesus via known prophesies? Thus God cloaked with a simple number, the 1260 whilst giving few details of who/what this was. 

Finally, the 1335 was also cloaked and these words were the only clue, THE BLESSING, well, that will be the Two-witnesses who show up to turn Israel back unto God BEFORE the DOTL arrives as both Malachi 4:5-6 says and as Zechariah 13:8-9 and 14:1 show. Israel repents THEN the DOTL arrives. The timing of the death of the Two-witnesses also shows this, they die at the 2nd Woe while the Anti-Christ/Beast dies at the 7th Vial. So, they have to show up before the Beast does because both have 1260 day ordained by God offices on earth.

3 hours ago, Diaste said:

Further, in Dan 11

"29At the appointed time he will invade the South again, but this time will not be like the first. 30Ships of Kittimg will come against him, and he will lose heart. Then he will turn back and rage against the holy covenant and do damage. So he will return and show favor to those who forsake the holy covenant. 31His forces will rise up and desecrate the temple fortress. They will abolish the daily sacrifice and set up the abomination of desolation."

This occurred when AE IV was confronted by Rome

How do you always manage to find and use a bible that CHANGES the Scriptures? This is a really  bad thing tbh. I will show why in a bit. Now to the point.

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All true, but you MISS IT, and thus fail to understand the whole point in God giving us the entire Greek King Lineage, verses 21-33/34 is God giving us the ARCHETYPE of the Anti-Christ to come in verses 36-45. A plain reading of these verses above tell you this, if one can grasp in full what it is saying. 

At the "appointed time" he will invade the south (Egypt) "AGAIN" but the scriptures you put forth do not say this, did you on purpose search for a passage that says this? Because this is a very important part of the verse and thus the whole passage. Lets use the trusted KJV instead.

Dan. 11:29 At the time appointed he shall return(to Egypt), and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter.

{{{ So, you managed to find a version that leaves out "OR AS THE LATTER", and either you do not understand why this is important, or you do and searched for this to "try" and overcome that which is a lost cause for you. I don't know. }}}

30 For the ships of Chittim(peoples in Cypress, at this time it was Rome) shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved(The Roman Senate forbid is return to Egypt), and return(to Israel), and have indignation against the holy covenant(forbid Judaism, mandated Hellenism): so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant(Jewish pro Hellenist she feed him information on the pro Judaism crowd).

31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. 32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries(these are the  pro Hellenist Jews): but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits(These are the Maccabeans).

So, by leaving off "OR AS THE LATTER" that changes the meaning of the whole passage. Here is why, this whole chapter is giving us every Greek born king that is a part of the Beast system, from Alexander the Great, to Antiochus and then the End Time Anti-Christ in these verses in this whole chapter. It ends in vs. 45 with the Little Horn/A.C. being killed. Then Daniel 12 gives us clues which unlock three things, the 1335 Two-witnesses, the 1290 False Prophet and the 1260 Anti-Christ. 

So, what is the LATTER INVASION of Egypt in Daniel 11? The Dan. 11:40-43 invasion, which is successful, thus Antiochus attempt in vs. 29 to go back in and take control of Egypt again was NOT ALLOWED this time by the Roman Senate so it his attempt at regaining power over Egypt will not be as THE FORMER time where he ruled over Egypt nor will it be as THE LATTER where the Anti-Christ will conquer and rule over Egypt. In other words via this passage there is three attempts to conquer Egypt from Antiochus time until the end times 2200 some odd years later, and only two are successful, the first attempt by Antiochus and the last attempt by the end time Anti-Christ. The middle attempt is thwarted by Roman Senate !! Why is this so hard to grasp? I do not get it.

5 hours ago, Diaste said:

Then Antiochus Epiphanes IV, grandson of Seleucus I Nicator, went back to Israel and violently subjugated Jerusalem and profaned the temple. Here we see the precursor of the willful king in Dan 11:36-39. 

 

This is just not correct brother, that happened in verses 29-33/34. It states the AoD happened at that time, and that caused the Maccabean Revolt. You trying to say its the same events as verses 36-45 is just incorrect, in verses 36-43 we see Egypt GETS CONQUERED, that will not happen again until the END TIMES, how is it you can not see this is two different points in time? In one he is forbidden from going into Egypt again, in the later (verses 36-43) that person conquers Egypt. In the later verses he is forbidden from conquering Moab, Ammon and Edom, and that just so happens to be where the end time Jews who repent flee unto. If you put the facts on front street instead of the "Thesis or Idea" on front street it would be much easier to solve these prophetic utterances.

If you change bibles just to dodge the POINT that verse 29 shows a man who will not be able to conquer Egypt again, as he formerly did, AND that then shows the end time Anti-Christ will conquer Egypt at a later time, which proves your thesis wrong, then that's like fishing with illegal bait brother. You should know better than to seek out bibles that change the meaning just to "try" and prove a point. That kind of thinking is never fruitful in the long run.

7 hours ago, Diaste said:

Dan 11 narrative follows the Seleucid empire of the Mesopotamian region. 

 

Dan. 11 follows the Greek inter-kingdom battle called the Syrian Wars.

7 hours ago, Diaste said:

Jesus said to look to Daniel for the understanding of the A of D. 

 

And he's is speaking about the Dan. 12:11-13 prophesy of the 1290 AoD, not the one Antiochus committed, that was a TYPE AoD to come by the ARCHETYPE Anti-Christ to come.

7 hours ago, Diaste said:

Part of that understanding is who places the A of D. 

It's a person from Mesopotamia and possibility a descendant of Seleucus. 

Jason (real name Yeshua) the High Priest, welcomed Antiochus into the temple to sacrifice a pig unto Zeus on Gods Altar. He also mandated that all Jews become Hellenized leading unto the Maccabean Revolt. The end time False Prophet will likewise be a Jewish High Priest who throws in with the coming Anti-Christ. So, of course the Archetype Anti-Christ had at his side an ARCHETYPE False Prophet. So, he who places the AoD will be a Jewish High Priest, just like Jason was.

7 hours ago, Diaste said:

Lysimachus ruled Asia Minor, Seleucus held the vast Mesopotamian region from the Levant to the Indus Valley. 

15 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Dan. 8:9 and Dan. 11:36-45 is END TIMES events. It has nothing to do with events that happened over 2000 years ago. 

7 hours ago, Diaste said:

No one said he didn't conquer countries. You said it was a limited region when the text says 'all'. That 'all' is based on awe and wonder, not physically taking the dirt. Win the mind, win the war. 

15 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

ALL IN THE REGION, which is LIMITED by the DESCRIPTOR which is 7 Heads and 10 Horns. Lets break it down.

1. Egyptian Empire

2.) Assyrian Empire

3.) Babylonian Empire

4.) Persian Empire

 

5.) Grecian Empire

6.) Roman Empire

7.) The Anti-Christ is the 7th Head himself, and the 11th Horn.

He ARISES amongst the 10 Horns/Kings which = the complete E.U.

So, how can you misconstrue this 7 Headed 10 Horned Beast? It has always been a Gentile Beast that arises from the area and who Conquers or Dominates the Mediterranean Sea Region as a Beast. It has NEVER CHANGED in all of these years !! It will not change via the end time Anti-Christ either. This will be his territorial rule right here

 

 

Lets see, 1/3 of the trees will burn means 1/3 of the world burns, which actually means 1/3 of the world because those trees will set houses, farms, businesses on fire, so 1/3 of this world will be out of commission, that is going to be North & South America. So, there s no 10 Regions, that just people who do not understand prophecy, and that 10 simply means COMPLETION, thus the 10 Horns like the 10 Toes are Complete Europe Reunited and the countries the A.C. conquers as seen in Dan. 11:40-43. He concuers ALL THE COUNTRIES in the MSR.

10 hours ago, Diaste said:

That doesn't require he come from the west. If the power base is centered in Mesopotamia, say Babylon, then the prophecy is still true. And there is another possibility.

18 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

You just do not add it all up brother. You take bits and pieces and try to force it to fit something you already believe in. That is not how prophecy works. God gave us the entire inter-kingdom battles of the Four Generals, the we ZOOM to the vey end times and this last king (A.C.) Conquers from the Northwest area of this Four Kingdom battle zone, and thus him being born in Greece makes him an E.U. Citizen (he comes up amongst the 10.........he's born in the E.U.) which then fulfills Dan. 7:8-9. H also has to have Assyrian blood, which means his family somewhere down the line migrated from Old Assyria (Turk/Iraqi or Syria) through Turkey to Greece, where, like I stated, he has to be born. 

You are looking at a bogus idea of the 2 Legs which was never a real thing. He has to be born in Greece, and to arise from the Fourth Beasts Head which was Rome, not some Eastern Leg. My understanding fits. He's Assyrian (Turk) by blood, born in Greece via the direction he conquers from, and lastly we know Greece is in the E.U.

11 hours ago, Diaste said:

From what I read the AC is based in Israel.

19 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

He's killed in Israel, he's based in Belgium because that is where the E.U. Parliament is based at. 

11 hours ago, Diaste said:

ure there is. 

" and the whole world marveled and followed the beast. 4They worshiped the dragon who had given authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can wage war against it?”"

The word used for world here is "GE"

1) arable land 2) the ground, the earth as a standing place 3) the main land as opposed to the sea or water

a country, land enclosed within fixed boundaries, a tract of land, territory, region

—Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)

Contracted from a primary word; soil; by extension a region, or the solid part or the whole of the terrene globe (including the occupants in each application):—country, earth (-ly), ground, land, world.

—Strong's (Greek Dictionary of the New Testament)

So, once again you do not grasp this is referring unto the whole region being spoken about. Let me say this for the 100th time, there will never be a OWG, it is not going to happen. You guys allow single verses and not great translations to reel you into the unbelievable. Satan wants the Jews killed, he will have a real plan, all this OWG stuff is nor reality, its fiction.

 

 

[Revelation Man]

9 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

So you think 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 needs to be removed from God's Word??? 

LOL, no, I think you do not understand what it means. 

 

9 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

And Tommy Ice is in serious error as there are other passages that speak of Christians departing from the faith and falling away that he fails to acknowledge, such as:

 

The passages below show true events in which people of the world and of the church, grow coarser and coarser through the ages, as Rom. 1 stated would happen, this is what amuses me to no end. Those things being true, DOES NOT have to mean 2 Thess. 2 is about the same thing, just because you have always thought it was, I guess you assume those other passages mean 2 Thess. 2 also has to mean the same thing, it does not. 2 Thess. 2 is about the Departing of the Church, those other passages are about men getting more wicked, and evil towards the end times, and men not having sound doctrine. But that IS NOT what 2 Thess. 2 is about. It really amuses me when this "sick doggy trick" it pulled out of the cupboard.   

Follow along, 2 Thess. 2 never mentions faith anywhere, but the Gathering unto Christ Jesus is seen in the very first verse. 

Now, wasn't Copy & Pasting all of those scriptures a waste of time? Sigh.

[Revelation Man]

4 hours ago, Last Daze said:

Nonsense.

Let's try again.

Abraham will surely become a great and powerful nation, and all nations on earth will be blessed through him.  Genesis 18:18

Are only the Mediterranean nations to be blessed through Abraham?  NO.

The earth being blessed through Abrahams SEED (Jesus) has nothing to do with the 7 Headed 10 Horned Beast who is over Israel and the MSR. The only nonsense sir emits from you lack of Prophetic understandings. 

4 hours ago, Last Daze said:

And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.  Matt 24:14

The gospel is to be preached to only the Mediterranean nations?  NO

Again, either you are not very hip to what's going on or you are feigning ignorance of what is going on. There is no way you can not understand that the 7 Headed 10 Horned Beast has nothing to do with the Church Age, its about Israel and God using these Gentile Kings to bring her unto repentance, not the Church. So, let it go, even you know better. I understand you are frustrated because y9u can never win a debate with me, I get it, but its my calling, its obvious prophecy is not your calling. So chill and listen sometimes. 

4 hours ago, Last Daze said:

After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude [from the great tribulation] which no one could count, from every nation and all the tribes, peoples, and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands.  Rev 7:9

The language makes it clear.  This whole nonsense is predicated on a pretrib rapture which makes it even more dubious.  One error leading to another.

Good grief, these are the Pre Trib Raptured Saints, and you do not eve get that.

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

I think you do not understand what it means. 

Funny... that's what the enemy always says as He tries to get people to not believe what God's Word says... like he did with Adam and eve in the garden of eden.

There's a bunch of other scriptures speaking of the falling away in the ends times that agree with so unfortunately it is you that has the problem of denying the truthfulness of God's Word.

I recommend you help yourself to some repentance... but that seems to be an unlikely event.