Psychics

[Knight of Christ]

What is a "meant to be" situation? Well SOME TIMES a "meant to be" situation really is the Lord protecting us, but sometimes it can be the devil just manipulating us. A meant to be situation is where something bad happens which apparantly protects you from something worse. You left your head lights on last night, and had to jump start that car this morning. During the delay, a wreck occured in the lane you always take to work. It appears the dead battery was "meant to be" in order to protect you from harm. This is a dangerous situation which occultists and "psychics" would consider important. The truth is most such incidents are coincidental, but if you keep attributing these things to God protecting you, when they may just be coincidence, or the devil trying to get a foothold in your mind, then the end result will be just that, satan will have a foothold and use similar situations in the future to control your mind.

i would agree with this except one thing. I don't belive in coincidens. Everything is a direct resoult of eather divine plan or choices that are made. Even if the actual resualt of the choices made are not redaly aparent or come about years afterwards it makes no diffrence at all.

[Smalcald]

In general I agree with Caroline. We have numerous warnings in the bible about dabbling in the Spirit world (any spirit that does not confess Christ as God is of the occult); there is only one legitimate spirit world, and that is the Holy Spirit.

However, I don't know if psychics, in particular those for example who see things, things in the future, things in other areas, etc those helping people find loved ones, are dabbling in the Spirit world or Occult. There are many things we don't understand about psychic power. We all may have gifts and powers, which are totally legitimate, yet we don't understand them and these psychics may be tapping into that. I would just never want to be involved in a psychic who claims they are talking to dead people or spirits, etc, but not all of these psychics claim that.

My grandmother was a diviner and did find water, my mother does dream about things, which have happened in the future. So I think something is going on. Many people in the bible did have visions of the future, did have dreams which foretold future events. If we can use them for the glory of God, then it is a good thing. How many of these psychics are Christians?

Very few are christians. The dreams recorded in the Bible fall under the nine Gifts of the Spirit recorded in 1 Corinthians. These are spiritual gifts involving knowledge of past, present, or future events, including specific knowledge of the Spirit world.

Psychics are people who are functioning in satanic counterfiet gifts. Remember, Satan is "Transformed into an angel of light". Satan wanted to be God, and everything he does is an attempt to counterfiet God. There are several recorded incidents in the Bible where a false prophet or magician performed miracles, or made "prophetic" statements which indeed came to pass, but were NOT of God.

I just saw a thing on tv where a lady helps the police dept solve crimes. She found a lost child.

I was just wondering how that can be wrong when she does good with her talent.

Again, Paul said that Satan's ministers are transformed into "angels of light". that is what is so deceptive about the occult world. It usually starts out with "good" intentions. But the toll on the wizard, necromancer, sorcer, psychic, or whatever they call themself, continues to grow. Over time the evil spirit that has become their "spirit guide"(whether the occultists knows it or not), gains power over them. The "spirit guide", which is actually a demon impersonating someone who once lived, eventually gains more and more control over the diviner's conscience through deception and "meant to be" situations. This can eventually result in true demonic possession, as seen by the little girl diviner in the book of Acts.

What is a "meant to be" situation? Well SOME TIMES a "meant to be" situation really is the Lord protecting us, but sometimes it can be the devil just manipulating us. A meant to be situation is where something bad happens which apparantly protects you from something worse. You left your head lights on last night, and had to jump start that car this morning. During the delay, a wreck occured in the lane you always take to work. It appears the dead battery was "meant to be" in order to protect you from harm. This is a dangerous situation which occultists and "psychics" would consider important. The truth is most such incidents are coincidental, but if you keep attributing these things to God protecting you, when they may just be coincidence, or the devil trying to get a foothold in your mind, then the end result will be just that, satan will have a foothold and use similar situations in the future to control your mind.

So how can it be "wrong" when they do right? Because it is against the commandment of God.

Was Robin Hood in sin when he robbed the rich to give to the poor? Yes, because the commandment says, "Thou shalt not steal." The end does NOT justify the means.

Similarly, contacting spirits of the dead, or obtaining information through psychic means regarding the dead, is a sin, regardless of the practitioner's intentions, because the Word of God says, "Thou shalt not".

Yeah I agree. There is no such thing as some sort of neutral Spirit world where the souls of the dead wander the earth, there are two spiritual creatures on this earth, angels and demons, we can choose who we wish to deal with, and only one Spirit which we are allowed to speak directly to, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit through prayer. Angels have given messages over history, but never do Christians seek to contact angels, and of course we want nothing to do with demons.

However, I guess my question is more do all people who have what would be called a psychic power be dabbling with demons or the dead? Don't some just say hey I have a vision and I see this, without claiming they are talking in the spirit world or to the dead?

We don't understand the reality, which surrounds us, for example science speculates that there are alternative dimensions, which exist concurrently with ours. It may be possible that psychic power is simply a natural gift, like being good at math or having great athletic ability.

But I could be off, maybe all of these guys claim some sort of spiritual power, in that case, yes stay away it is of the devil.

[larryt]

They get their info from demons and the demonic realm.

LT