Are you sure that you shall enter into the Kingdom of heaven?

[Wayne222]

On 10/4/2023 at 11:10 PM, Susan Miller said:

Today one of my Christian friends told me that no matter what he does, Lord Jesus will forgive his sin, since he has accepted Lord Jesus as savior, and finally he shall enter into God's kingdom. 

But I remember that our Lord Jesus said: “Not everyone that said to Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of My Father which is in heaven” (Matthew 7:21).We can see from this that entering the kingdom of heaven is not a simple matter, not as long as we believe in the Lord we can enter the kingdom of heaven, we must strive to pursue. What's your opinion, my friends？

Christ told us my sheep hear my voice and follow me. So if you are his sheep then you will obey him. Those who don’t follow him but use his name will not inherit eternal life. If you sin confess it and turn to Jesus and his blood cleanse us from all unrighteousness. It’s a walk daily. Those who don’t know him don’t confess and turn. 

[Buzzard3]

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Edited October 8, 2023 by Buzzard3

[Buzzard3]

20 hours ago, AFlameOfFire said:

 

You were asking questions "as if" something I posted meant one thing or another (while attempting to beatng these down) as if I said anything you were implying through your manner of questions, thats  being intellectually dishonest.

Why did you respond to the scriptures  I posted which were speaking of faith, grace and works (as only they speak on these) without much interjection on my part  by tearing into the words of God while injecting your defensive bias between every verse? I have seen people do that between peoples own words but never chop up the words of God in such a defensive manner (with the exception of an athiest ofcourse)

And I do understand why you cannot quote me when I asked you to because you can't and it makes your ranting questions appear even more foolish. And so now, you need to accuse me of "speaking in riddles"? And so I need to ask, what riddle have I spoken to you?

For goodness sake, "quote me". You have no standing to make demands of me, while all your endless barking at the scriptures goes unanswered for. 

Although, it was just a tad amusing. 

I wrote what I wrote, just quote me on your problem with what was posted and stop asking me "are you saying"? "Are you sayng" Looking for a reason to accuse me in your strawman theater. Just look at what I wrote, quote "that" and come back and show me why you are having a problem, its so simple really.

Are you saying we're saved by faith alone?   If so, why does Paul warn believers in Gal 5:19-21 and 1Cor 6:9-11 that their sins can result in them not inheriting the kingdom of God?

 

 

Or are you saying we're saved by faith and something else?

[Buzzard3]

On 10/7/2023 at 1:36 PM, AFlameOfFire said:

Ephes 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

What do you think this verse means?

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

1 hour ago, Buzzard3 said:

Are you saying we're saved by faith alone?   If so, why does Paul warn believers in Gal 5:19-21 and 1Cor 6:9-11 that their sins can result in them not inheriting the kingdom of God?

 

 

Or are you saying we're saved by faith and something else?

You will have to quote me on which verse is problematic for you and then tell me why you feel the scriptures I posted contradict with the other in your own mind

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

1 hour ago, Buzzard3 said:

What do you think this verse means?

You will have to tell me why you separated the verse from the other two verses I posted with it.

[Buzzard3]

21 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

The full context of John 3:36 is:

"The one who believes in the Son has eternal life; but the one who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”

In this verse it is contrasting one who believes in the Son and the one who doesn't believe (obey/disbelieve) ...

How does that verse support your position here?  . . . please clarify.

The words, "does not obey the Son" refer to not obeying the commandments - ie, works.  So John 3:36 is saying obedience (works) is necessary to gain eternal life  - in other words, salvation by faith and works.

That being so, the words "The one who believes"  means "The one who believes and obeys".

 

Compare "the one who does not obey the Son will not see life" in John 3:36 to ...

"And by this we may be sure that we know him, if we keep his commandments.  He who says “I know him” but disobeys his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him" (1John 2:3-4).

 

"I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things [sin/not keeping the commandments] shall not inherit the kingdom of God".   (Gal 5:19-21)

 

"Strive ... for the holiness [keeping the commandments] without which no one will see the Lord."  (Heb 12:14)

21 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

The one who does believe has eternal life

... if he continues in faith and obedience (works) until his death.

Edited October 8, 2023 by Buzzard3

[Buzzard3]

2 hours ago, AFlameOfFire said:

You will have to tell me why you separated the verse from the other two verses I posted with it.

If you don’t know what that verse means, just say "I don't know what that verse means."  

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

40 minutes ago, Buzzard3 said:

If you don’t know what that verse means, just say "I don't know what that verse means."  

If you couldnt quote me on something you were barking at earlier, why not say, "I am so sorry, you were correct, you never stated what I was imply through dishonest questioning practices, and that you spliced up the scriptures while yelling at the scriptures in your own defensive bias (because I was hearing things in my own head which I could not recconcile your verses) and so I lost touch with reality when I realized what I had done, and in my alarm I needed to cover my tracks and begin accusing you of riddles (one of which I could not cough up) and so I needed to ask you more questions (framed in the same way) to get you to "say something"  in your own words (and not with scripture again) so I can further accuse you again while trying redeem myself from my own foolish rantings at the scriptures. Not to mention a conversation had in evil works (and not good ones) you in "all irony are trying your best at trying to convince of. Strange how hypocricy works.

And so now, you need to provoke once more, by saying, "If you know what the verse means just say it"

What its called is this, not wanting to engage with your dishonesty. All the while observing how someone who builds strawmen falacies behave when holding their own feet to the fire they created over their very own rantings.

Its amusing to me, so thanks for playing 

You can ask me something until the cows come home, since you never answered for your own rantings at the scripture you while ripping them to shreds while still  insisting I answer you on more scriptures, seriously? 

That would be unwise.

I will not respond to you again, so enjoy your last word, I can almost be certain that you will take it.

 

 

 

Edited October 8, 2023 by AFlameOfFire

[Buzzard3]

8 minutes ago, AFlameOfFire said:

If you couldnt quote me on something you were barking at earlier, why not say, "I am so sorry, you were correct, you never stated what I was imply through dishonest questioning practices, and that you spliced up the scriptures while yelling at the scriptures in your own defensive bias (because I was hearing things in my own head which I could not recconcile your verses) and so I lost touch with reality when I realized what I had done, and in my alarm I needed to cover my tracks and begin accusing you of riddles (one of which I could not cough up) and so I needed to ask you more questions (framed in the same way) to get you to "say something"  in your own words (and not with scripture again) so I can further accuse you again while trying redeem myself from my own foolish rantings at the scriptures. Not to mention a conversation had in evil works (and not good ones) you in "all irony are trying your best at trying to convince of. Strange how hypocricy works.

And so now, you need to provoke once more, by saying, "If you know what the verse means just say it"

What its called is this, not wanting to engage with your dishonesty. All the while observing how someone who builds strawmen falacies behave when holding their own feet to the fire they created over their very own rantings.

Its amusing to me, so thanks for playing 

You can ask me something until the cows come home, since you never answered for your own rantings at the scripture you while ripping them to shreds while still  insisting I answer you on more scriptures, seriously? 

That would be unwise.

I will not respond to you again, so enjoy your last word, I can almost be certain that you will take it.

Oh goodness.