The Ezekiel Third Temple Myth

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

54 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

Right, because a third earthly temple where Levites resume animal sacrifice is a "Spiritual Truth" and not at all worldly. However, you make it work for you, I really don't care about your interpretation either.

Psalm 40:

6 Sacrifice and offering You did not desire;
My ears You have opened.
Burnt offering and sin offering You did not require.
7 Then I said, “Behold, I come;
In the scroll of the book it is written of me.
8 I delight to do Your will, O my God,
And Your law is within my heart.”

Apparently, Steven's stoning failed to make an impression on you.

Acts 7:48 However, the Most High does not dwell in temples

made with hands, as the prophet says:

49 ‘Heaven is My throne,
And earth is My footstool.
What house will you build for Me? says the Lord,
Or what is the place of My rest?
50 Has My hand not made all these things?’

51 You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears!

You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you. 

^That^

I over posted you Mr M but I should have added that verse into my post, 

He says here

Isaiah 66:4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

That which he desires/or delights/ or wouldest  versus chosing that in which he desires not/ delighteth not/ or wouldest not in as far as these things go.

Edited October 26, 2023 by AFlameOfFire
I wrote AS as ASS so I thought I would edit that

[Montana Marv]

28 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

Apparently, Steven's stoning failed to make an impression on you.

Acts 7:48 However, the Most High does not dwell in temples

made with hands, as the prophet says:

And did Peter being crucified upside down have an impression on you. I think not.

Ezk 43:7 - He said; Son of man, this is the place of my throne and the place for the soles of my feet.  This is where I will live among the Israelites forever.  The house of Judah will never again defile my holy name.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Mr. M]

6 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

And did Peter being crucified upside down have an impression on you. I think not.

Ezk 43:7 - He said; Son of man, this is the place of my throne and the place for the soles of my feet.  This is where I will live among the Israelites forever.  The house of Judah will never again defile my holy name.

In Christ

Montana Marv

A throne has nothing to do with a temple or an altar.

You realize David ruled Israel without a temple;

just a throne of righteousness and judgment.

2 Samuel 8:15 And David reigned over all Israel; and David executed judgment and righteousness unto all his people.

Psalm 103:6 The Lord executes righteousness and judgment for all that are oppressed.

Psalm 106:3 Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that does righteousness at all times.

Fortunately, the Lord does not share your obsession with temples, altars, or sacrifices. How did you miss that?

[Montana Marv]

2 hours ago, Mr. M said:

A throne has nothing to do with a temple or an altar.

You realize David ruled Israel without a temple;

just a throne of righteousness and judgment.

2 Samuel 8:15 And David reigned over all Israel; and David executed judgment and righteousness unto all his people.

Psalm 103:6 The Lord executes righteousness and judgment for all that are oppressed.

Psalm 106:3 Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that does righteousness at all times.

Fortunately, the Lord does not share your obsession with temples, altars, or sacrifices. How did you miss that?

Didn't miss a thing.

Ezk 43:4 - The glory of the Lord entered the temple through the gate facing East.

Ezk 43:6,7 - From inside the temple this is said;  This is the place of my throne, and the place for the soles of my feet.  This is where I will live among the Israelites forever.

According to Scripture the temple will house the throne. The glory of the Lord will fill the Temple and also His Throne.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Stewardofthemystery]

7 hours ago, AFlameOfFire said:

You mention going backwards, it mentions the same here

It says similarly here

Isaiah 1:3 The ox knoweth his owner, and the ass his master's crib: but Israel doth not know, my people doth not consider.

Isaiah 1:4 Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the LORD, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward.

A few verses up it says

Isaiah 1:9 Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah. (This is quoted by Paul in Romans 9:29)

it continues,

Isaiah 1:10 Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.

Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

Isaiah 1:12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?

Isaiah 1:13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.

Isaiah 1:14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

Whereas here it also says,

Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

Hebrews 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

Hebrews 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

Hebrews 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

In those sacrifices is "a remembrance of sins" whereas in Christ's sacrifice there is "the forgiveness of sins"

Hebrews 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

Hebrews 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God,  purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

And then back here, 

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

Isaiah 66:4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

Are these the things they will be offering, that which pertains to going backwards in that way, in those things where there is a remembrance of sins?

But still part of the unfolding of things (so to speak)? Is that how you are catching it?

 

This is the image that came to mind…

John 18:6

As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.”

 

I got a chuckle thinking about that.😊

[Mr. M]

11 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

Didn't miss a thing.

Ezk 43:4 - The glory of the Lord entered the temple through the gate facing East.

Ezk 43:6,7 - From inside the temple this is said;  This is the place of my throne, and the place for the soles of my feet.  This is where I will live among the Israelites forever.

According to Scripture the temple will house the throne. The glory of the Lord will fill the Temple and also His Throne.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Psalm 24:7 Lift up your heads, O you gates!
And be lifted up, you everlasting doors!
And the King of glory shall come in.

1 Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Revelation 3:21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

[Mr. M]

14 hours ago, AFlameOfFire said:

^That^

I over posted you Mr M but I should have added that verse into my post, 

He says here

Isaiah 66:4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

That which he desires/or delights/ or wouldest  versus chosing that in which he desires not/ delighteth not/ or wouldest not in as far as these things go.

Here were the instructions:

Ezekiel 43:

10 Son of man, describe the temple to the house of Israel, that they may be

ashamed of their iniquities; and let them measure the pattern. 

11 And if they are ashamed of all that they have done, 

make known to them the design of the temple and its arrangement,

its exits and its entrances, its entire design and all its ordinances,

all its forms and all its laws. Write it down in their sight,

so that they may keep its whole design and all its ordinances,

and perform them. 

12 This is the law of the temple: The whole area

surrounding the mountaintop is most holy.

Behold, this is the law of the temple.

Historical Facts:

Those who returned from the captivity had been given the design for a new temple, which they refused to perform for a pagan king of Persia. Two prophets, Haggai and Zechariah, had to prod them to even build what would fall short of the previous temple, for which the elders mourned.

Later, a worldly king Herod would build up the temple mount and the adornments of the temple that the apostles were so impressed with, and were told that it would be taken apart stone by stone.

Please note the foreshadowing:

The apostles brought forth the vision for the Lord's Holy Temple "not made with hands, but with the hearts of faithful men". From this vision, man has built up a religious edifice that we bear witness to today. This religious "temple" will be destroyed, as judgment will begin with "the house of God in Christ". The faithful are not of this world, or of a temple made by men.

There have been many claims of authority on the Ezekiel temple as being a third temple to be built. Yet what has been clearly demonstrated is a complete lack of comprehension of the significance of the second temple, which was never built according to the specifications shown by vision to the Son of man and given to Israel AT THE TIME HE RECEIVED IT. Clearly, no one has grasped the irony that the second temple was commissioned by the king of Persia, now Iran. What the Lord found waiting for Him at His first coming was to be "a house of prayer for all nations", but they had made it into "a den of robbers", and had to be destroyed. Facts.

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

9 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

This is the image that came to mind…

John 18:6

As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.”

 

I got a chuckle thinking about that.😊

In the context of said sacrifices? 

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

2 hours ago, Mr. M said:

Here were the instructions:

Ezekiel 43:

10 Son of man, describe the temple to the house of Israel, that they may be

ashamed of their iniquities; and let them measure the pattern. 

11 And if they are ashamed of all that they have done, 

make known to them the design of the temple and its arrangement,

its exits and its entrances, its entire design and all its ordinances,

all its forms and all its laws. Write it down in their sight,

so that they may keep its whole design and all its ordinances,

and perform them. 

12 This is the law of the temple: The whole area

surrounding the mountaintop is most holy.

Behold, this is the law of the temple.

Historical Facts:

Those who returned from the captivity had been given the design for a new temple, which they refused to perform for a pagan king of Persia. Two prophets, Haggai and Zechariah, had to prod them to even build what would fall short of the previous temple, for which the elders mourned.

Later, a worldly king Herod would build up the temple mount and the adornments of the temple that the apostles were so impressed with, and were told that it would be taken apart stone by stone.

Please note the foreshadowing:

The apostles brought forth the vision for the Lord's Holy Temple "not made with hands, but with the hearts of faithful men". From this vision, man has built up a religious edifice that we bear witness to today. This religious "temple" will be destroyed, as judgment will begin with "the house of God in Christ". The faithful are not of this world, or of a temple made by men.

There have been many claims of authority on the Ezekiel temple as being a third temple to be built. Yet what has been clearly demonstrated is a complete lack of comprehension of the significance of the second temple, which was never built according to the specifications shown by vision to the Son of man and given to Israel AT THE TIME HE RECEIVED IT. Clearly, no one has grasped the irony that the second temple was commissioned by the king of Persia, now Iran. What the Lord found waiting for Him at His first coming was to be "a house of prayer for all nations", but they had made it into "a den of robbers", and had to be destroyed. Facts.

I was attempting to measure the pattern last night and my lousy math skills kept throwing me off. So I am absolutely useless in this conversation. It was my first attempt though, I got further with measuring things in the book of revelation than I got with this one. So go figure right?

Mr M, I am also guilty of this complete lack of comprehension of the significance of stone and mortar temples, I will admit it.

I need to brush up on these things myself.

God bless

[Mr. M]

3 minutes ago, AFlameOfFire said:

I was attempting to measure the pattern last night and my lousy math skills kept throwing me off. So I am absolutely useless in this conversation. It was my first attempt though, I got further with measuring things in the book of revelation than I got with this one. So go figure right?

Mr M, I am also guilty of this complete lack of comprehension of the significance of stone and mortar temples, I will admit it.

I need to brush up on these things myself.

God bless

I posted under Bible Study "The Temple of Cyrus"

or you can just search "Cyrus" and find the applicable.

Daniel's ministry also aligns with the reign of Cyrus.

Daniel 1:21 Thus Daniel continued

until the first year of King Cyrus.

All blessings by the spirit of wisdom and revelation,

in the knowledge of Christ.