Questions for evolution believers

[BeyondET]

6 hours ago, Who me said:

1st death applied to all that had the breath of life, which does not include plants and certainly does not apply to part of plants.

 

So the " death of leaves " is an irrational distraction.

 

2nd you are ignorant  of the power and wisdom of God.

 

As it says in genesis all living plants were given to all creatures for food, so again the " death of plants or plant parts " as it was permitted by God is an irrelevance to the discussion of creation.

 

A fallen world cursed by sin changed by a global flood and God permitted man to eat meat, it is reasonable to assume that carnivorous  creatures had begun to eat other creatures earlier than the flood as quite likely  did rebellious  men.

That there was the adaptability in creatures to develop protective shapes, colouration, and the ability to thrive in a multitude  of environments  is a tribute to God's wisdom in creation.

Your ignorant of what I said, it had nothing to do with death of leaves. It was about God creating an animal that looks like a dead leaf.

Then you go off on a tangent about man eating meat after the fall, not alot of wisdom in your discernment.

Adaptability in creatures to evolve into protective shapes and colouration hmm, sounds like evolution?

Edited December 27, 2023 by BeyondET

[RV_Wizard]

On 12/27/2023 at 9:42 AM, BeyondET said:

Adaptability in creatures to evolve into protective shapes and colouration hmm, sounds like evolution?

Nope.  No bug is smart enough to figure that out.  That requires an incredible amount of design work.  It's more evidence of the glory of God and the attention to detail he has put into His creation.

[BeyondET]

23 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

Nope.  No bug is smart enough to figure that out.  That requires an incredible amount of design work.  It's more evidence of the glory of God and the attention to detail he has put into His creation.

Adaptability is no doubt a process also of evolution. I'm not one who believes in evolution by chance or blind interaction, every step is of God's designed and He knows the outcomes. Most of the design is stored in stem cells, the building blocks of complex biological structures.

Edited December 29, 2023 by BeyondET

[BeyondET]

27 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

No bug is smart enough to figure that out.  That requires an incredible amount of design work. 

Indeed the Monarch butterfly is a good example of God's design by designing that butterfly to pass on the smarts, memories of locations directions etc. They migrate from Canada to Mexico then back again over multiple generations.

[The Barbarian]

5 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

Nope.  No bug is smart enough to figure that out.

That's the beauty of it.   No intelligence required to make it work.   Natural selection just works on random variation to direct change over time.   It's like the capitalist free market system (which influenced Darwin).     No one plans anything, but unless something interferes, it produces optimum distribution of goods and services.

I don't doubt that God created the world to do exactly what He intended.    Being omnipotent,God can utilize chance in his plans:

The effect of divine providence is not only that things should happen somehow, but that they should happen either by necessity or by contingency. Therefore, whatsoever divine providence ordains to happen infallibly and of necessity happens infallibly and of necessity; and that happens from contingency, which the divine providence conceives to happen from contingency.

St. Thomas Aquinas (Summa theologiae, I, 22,4 ad 1)

Edited December 29, 2023 by The Barbarian

[RV_Wizard]

13 hours ago, BeyondET said:

Adaptability is no doubt a process also of evolution.

Adaptability is a device which keeps organisms alive in changing environments.  However, the ability to adapt doesn't serve to solidify the nonsense of molecules to man.

[BeyondET]

8 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

Adaptability is a device which keeps organisms alive in changing environments.  However, the ability to adapt doesn't serve to solidify the nonsense of molecules to man.

You are made of molecules so your statement makes no sense.

Edited December 30, 2023 by BeyondET

[BeyondET]

19 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

Adaptability is a device which keeps organisms alive in changing environments. 

And to thrive, like the profound slanted eyelids of some people's eyes. Adapted for snow areas and wide open oceans.

The eyelids evolved because of the stress of squinting over a long period of exposure to the sun's glare upon water and snow.

Edited December 30, 2023 by BeyondET

[RV_Wizard]

9 hours ago, BeyondET said:

You are made of molecules so your statement makes no sense.

Oh, come on, you're not 14.  You've heard the phrase molecules to man before.  It means that a few random molecules got together and formed life, and then that continuously upgraded itself over multiple generations until it became man.

[RV_Wizard]

9 hours ago, BeyondET said:

The eyelids evolved because of the stress of squinting over a long period of exposure to the sun's glare upon water and snow.

Eyelids ADAPTED, but everyone who ever existed was designed to have eyelids.  The same could be said for darker skin and larger noses to process heat in the desert.  None of that changes the fact that the only ancestor of man is man.